hey. Maybe this is a stupid question... but I was just wondering if it is actually THAT important to train yourself to do all your tricks in both directions. I tried for awhile, I've heard it's important for muscle development and what-not, but I suck big time. Should I just forget about it?, or is it actually important enough to be worth the frustration? Do most people learn both directions?
thanks.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:49 AMIt is very important to learn in both directions. I swear I went through the same exact thing when it was brought to my attention to learn both directions. I had a seriously rough time adapting but it eventually came. My advice to you is to keep practicing and be patient. It WILL come to you! There are many tricks that require the ability to go both ways. Also, it's excellent exercise for the brain to engage your non-dominant side. And, as you stated, it's crucial for balanced muscle development.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 10:55 AMNot only is it good to do, now, to give yourself the greatest performance flexibility, but for later too. If you get into fire hooping, for example, there are certain recipes for making hoops that work better in one direction over the other. Spending a lot of money building or buying a hoop that comes apart because you cant go left is a bit frustrating. -
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:24 PM??? couldn't you just turn the hoop over?
That aside Fire hoop that comes apart whe you hoop one direction sounds stupidly and unessesraly dangerous to me
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:28 AMIt is SUPER important. Don't give up just because it's hard. Lots of things are hard at first ... and then they're not. It's just a matter of applying yourself and not giving up.
Allow me to relate a personal story. Early in my hoop journey, I only hooped one direction. I was hooping a lot but I began having back pain like crazy and it was keeping me from being able to hoop. I couldn't power through it. Finally I made an appointment with a chiropractor because I was just miserable. He couldn't see me right away. I had to wait two days. Well, the day before I was supposed to go, I was hooping outside and I thought, I am going to hoop in the opposite direction and I am not going to stop, no matter how many times it falls. I am just going to pick it right back up and hoop in my non-dominant direction. After about one or two minutes of this, all of a sudden, my entire spine went "pop-pop-pop-pop-pop!" And I was healed! Basically, I had been throwing the musculature of my entire spine out of wack by only hooping one direction! I was constantly wrenching the bones in my back one way. I was also only developing the muscles on one side of my spine and one side of my abdomen. I was virtually ensuring that I twisted the bones of my spine and that my one-sided muscle development held them in this twisted place.
After I integrated hooping both directions into my practice, this back pain dissolved. I cancelled that appointment with the chiropractor and I have never had that kind of pain again. Ever. It's been years. And I used to have back problems before I began this practice.
Hooping in both directions really helped me grow as a hooper also. You find your balance at that place in the Center. It allows you much more variation in your dance. It allows you to switch directions at will. It's just plain prettier. Plus, again, you find yourself working from that place in the Center so that, at any point, you can go in any direction.
Plus, who wants to have a three-pack of abs instead of a six-pack?
I recommend practicing in your non-dominant direction for one song every day for a month. Pick a short song if you want. (Mine was Paperback Rider, which is just over 2:00 minutes) In no time, you won't even remember which direction was your dominant direction anymore! But it's important to start early, before you get too dependent on one side. The longer you wait, the harder you're making it on yourself.
Good luck. And hang in there. Anything worth doing is worth doing poorly at first.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:30 AMp.p.s. Hooping in both directions also makes you smarter. You are creating new neural pathways between your right brain and left brain that will improve every pattern related thing you do -- drumming, dance, mathmatics, needlepoint, everything. It increases your spatial alacrity.
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 10:15 PMI am tickled that you have recommend the "one song" approach for learning how to hoop the non-dominant way. That's what I force myself to do, because I don't like doing reverse direction hooping, and yet I know it's good for me. So, I make myself do one song, and a little bit of warming down in reverse direction.
Do you think it's important to become proficient in EVERYTHING in both directions? I can do most of the easy stuff both ways, but that doesn't mean I LIKE doing the non-dominant direction, so I don't try working on "hard" tricks. Should I anyway?
I also have an interesting lateralisation problem - I wonder if you have heard of anyone else like this: my dominant hooping direction below the neck is counter clockwise, but is clockwise above the neck. So, everything above my head is easy in both directions, but below the head, I am counter-clockwise dominant. funny eh?
Looking forward to your thoughts,
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Sat, May 17, 2008 - 11:53 PMI do think you should do everything in both directions. I know I've talked a lot about injuries to the back but one of the most resilient injuries I've had with hooping was a pulled chest muscle. This happened because I was also doing every lift with my right hand. The back stuff set itself right pretty fast once I start waist hooping both directions but this wasn't the case with this chest thing. That was injured connective tissue which takes a long time to heal and which I kept reinjuring it because I wasn't spreading out the aggravating movement. It took a long time to heal and I kept reinjuring it because my default position was to always lift with the hand that felt easiest.
I know it seems improbable early on in your hoop journey but if you keep working at it, pretty soon your dominant side will become indistinguishable from your non-dominant side. That's where I am now. But I never would have believed it possible at first. I have a lot of empathy for people struggling with this. I struggled too. But I am so much better now for not caving in and giving up and doing what felt "easy". The truth is I did try to do what felt easy for a while ... and, in the end, it was the worst thing for me. So spare yourself that! Spend some time trying all the iterations of every move. Don't be afraid to fail. You are not failing. You are learning something completely new. Be proud of yourself. Go slow and be patient. In every direction You'll be glad you did.
And, yes, I get that the above the head thing feels easier. If our center is truly at our center, that's pretty much the middle of our chest, around the heart. Above that place is completely different than below. It almost feels like we're going the opposite direction, like a black hole turning inside out or something. It's beyond me to explain but, yeah, I get it.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:37 AMThanks everyone for the good information! Not exactly what I wanted to hear, haha... but I'll get it eventually, and probably thank you for it.
Back to the hoop! ...
:)
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 11:41 AMHi Emily, the best way to answer this is to start by asking yourself what you would like to achieve in hooping (physically, emotionally, spiritually and/or mentally).
I naturally hoop clockwise and I have found two-way hooping to be wonderfully Freeing. When I was able to do vortex (what I call bringing the hoop up and down the body in a continuous spiraling motion) counterclockwise I felt Incredible! I remember literally feeling my higher chakras, especially my crown chakra, open up. It was really sensational. I felt mental blocks being dissolved like particles and lifted into the ethers. There were other moves I achieved two-ways prior to vortex, like hara (waist hooping) and shoulder rolls that simply brought on the feeling, and reminder, that I can do anything I wish to do. =) Moves like hara and shoulder rolls helped me balance the output of my energy and the strengthening of my core muscles, spine and hips in ways that were really only achieved when hooping in one direction. So even the slightest shift in hooping two-ways has helped me to break free from previous conditioning. Just as I broke free from other forms of conditioning when I initially began hooping!
So I doubt you "suck". That's really just the ego kicking in to sabotage your Greatness. Just go at it and know that if you have gotten this far in hooping you can only continue to go further.
I hope this helps! =)
Love Light & Hoopbliss
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 1:27 PMHi Emily,
You're supposed to suck when you hoop in the non-dominant direction. Everyone sucks. That's the point. If you don't drop the hoop, you are not trying something new and/or interesting.
I felt the same way when I went to a hoop path workshop, and they told us we were hooping in both directions. And then walking in both directions. And then *jumping* in both directions. Argh! And I had a hoop padded with foam, so you can imagine how much damage my hoop took. I'm sorta decent these days, but not awesome, but like every hoop thing, when you finally get it, it's worth all those days you did nothing but smack yourself in the back of the head (which was me learning to twirl the hoop above my head).
Besides, I started getting pains in one leg cause I was only hooping on one side, you don't want your muscles developing lopsided!
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:27 PMI really want to learn to hoop my non dominate direction so i can do reversals and that sort of thing but at the same time i find it is a great tool for when i'm teaching so i can break moves down and remember how hard they actually are, where as when i do them my dominant direction it is easy to forget that they are actually quite hard.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 6:11 PMThe way I like to look at it is that you wouldn't go to the gym and only do bicep curls with your right arm. Of course you would want to do tricep curls for a full range of motion AND you would want to also do bicep curls with your left arm.
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Mon, May 12, 2008 - 9:14 PMI found that I discovered new tricks or slight alterations to tricks I already knew when I started hooping the other direction. It was awesome! My body was stuck in it's way of doing things going my dominant way, the unfamiliarity and awkwardness of taking it out of it's comfort zone opened up so many new possibilities. There's certain moves now that I am much smoother at on my less dominant side. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 5:40 PMSueness brings up a great point - in my classes, I teach everything in both directions and some students find that certain tricks are easier for them in their second direction, which they never would have known if they hadn't tried it in their second direction!
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 5:17 AMBi-lateral is good. Very little of our daily life is actually bi-lateral, and there's a whole half-brain underused most of the time.
If you spend your work days doing logical things, you might find a bit more creative energy as you start working the other side. (Probably the reverse is true, too, but that doesn't apply to me so I can't speak to it.)
I hate to even bring it up in my seniors' classes, but if you ever have any kind of brain injury, you're going to have to learn to use new pathways, and I can't help but think that learning something new on your weak side before you "have" to can only make that easier.
It's also a compassion-building exercise, in that you are learning just how hard it can be to learn something new on the "left" (whatever side is non-dominant for you).
I have noticed that if I learn a new trick on the weak side, sometimes I will be able to do it faster on the strong side the next day. But my strong side never teaches my weak side anything overnight. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:43 AMKaren makes an excellent point. When I learn new poi moves, I always learn them first on my weaker side. After that, my stronger side is a cake walk. But if I learn my stronger side first, I always seem to favor that side from then on. Learning the weaker side first seems to actually teach my stronger side the move without me having to do very much. Something to think about...
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 6:06 AMThis is something very close to me at the moment because I'm having problems with my left hip. Evidently my pelvis is out of line. I went to the Chiropractor yesterday to be straightened up, but then hooped a bit later and feel that it's gone out again. Certainly today I'm suffering. Over the winter I've hooped in my sitting room a fair bit. It's tiny so I've had to rotate with the hoop in a tight circle. I hoop clockwise. Although I've been conscious of needing to hoop both ways, I can't turn very gracefully anticlockwise so I think I've tended to do a lot of tight clockwise turning and only a bit to the left. This could be where the problems have come from. If I had to put money on the cause it would be the tight turning.
So, I'm going to force myself to hoop only in my non-dominant direction for the next few weeks! It's going to be hard. I can do most of my tricks either side, but the right is stronger. I feel ungainly to the left and so I'm not able to flow with the music or let myself go. It's going to be like going back to the beginning. But I think it needs to be done. If I can force myself to become a hooper with no preference to direction that would be a huge achievement.
My plan is to take my new travel hoop on holiday with me, but it's really heavy compared to my other hoops. I'm not sure if this is going to make the problem better or worse. Only trial and error will help me find that out I suppose.
Having just booked onto both HoopGirl level 1 and 2 I'm desperate to get fit again. That's the carrot, the stick is that I hate not hooping. -
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:36 AMThis is good for me to hear, too. I was playing around on my jumping stilts at the hoop jam Sunday and came away with lower back pain. I still have it. I have been hooping and bike riding through the pain. I hoop the opposite way a little when reversing but I will take it to the next level after reading this. THanks!
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 8:40 AMLast night in my class, when I asked if any of my students has been having any pain or bruising, one young woman said that she was having hip problems. She thought they might be from running, though she'd never had them before. When I asked if she'd been hooping in her non-dominant direction, she hung her head and said no. We both think now that that is probably where her issues actually arose. Why? Because it brought her relief to hoop in her non-dominant direction, even though she didn't feel very good at it. She committed to hoop ONLY in her non-dominant direction for this entire week. We'll see how it goes.
I know when I took up non-dominant direction hooping, it was tough for me too. I had to make myself do it. FIrst I did the "one short song" method, then, after that, when I was setting my monthly goals, I set a goal to practice my shoulder hooping in my non-dominant direction, at least a bit, every time I picked up my hoop for a month. After that, it was easy. I was actually better (and still am) at shoulder hooping in my non-dominant direction. I didn't do it exclusively but I did do it a bit every day for a month and that got me over the hump. Perhaps these training ideas will help others who are struggling with hooping in their non-dominant direction. You don't have to dedicate your entire practice to it but, look at it this way, you have a lot of lost time to make up for. You are trying to achieve a balance of CW and CCW. If you've been doing only one, it's going to take a while to equal that out. But you will. And the sooner you start, the sooner you'll get there! -
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 5:08 PMIt feels SO GOOD to finally be able to shoulder hoop in both directions. Opening my hooping up to breaks and reverses has VASTLY increased the dance-ibility of my hooping.
I'm still working on leg hooping in my weak direction... it's tough, and it's painful, and I have to beat myself over the head to make myself do it. But I'll get it, and it will be worth it.
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Sun, May 18, 2008 - 8:20 PMI totally agree that hooping in both directions opens up vast worlds of movements and is an important part of hoop practice.. that being said, I hooped for 6 years in only one direction and never had any back problems, uneven musculature or anything else amiss. I think that there are ways you can balance out your movement, for either direction, that will create far less problems. I think many people commonly lead with only one side of the body and add more twist than is necessary to keep the hoop going. If you are doing this you will just hurt yourself again in the opposite way on the other side.Try this exercise to add some balance:
While hooping in your dominant direction practice switching your feet; left foot front, right foot front, side to side. when your right foot is front (regardless of direction) the push points will be in the right front side of your waist and the back left side of your waist. the movement is still front to back but see if you can identify these specific points(reverse for left foot forward). when your feet are side by side the push is straight side to side. play with seeing how evenly you can get your hoop to spin while keeping your hips really square and and your alignment as yogic as possible! By switching up your leading edge you are adding balance to your push and taking the stress of your habitual lead side. It will probably feel awkward at first but keep at it and it will really increase your flow!
happy hooping!
Anah
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