what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

topic posted Tue, April 6, 2004 - 3:23 PM by  la colline
Howdy,

This site has great info on making hoops:
www.jasonunbound.com/hoops.html

But it just says to use 1" "poly tubing". There are many kinds of plastic tubing that start with the word 'poly', what kind should I use? What wall thickness is best? i could not find any 1" plastic tubing at the hardware store or at a hydroponics store (except rigid PVC pipe, which I prefer not to mess with), so I'm going to order from the internet. That means I can't really tell what the stuff is like before I buy it, so I need more information, please help me, my hips must move soon!!
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Tue, April 6, 2004 - 5:38 PM
    You can either use 1" or 3/4". I recommend 160 PSI. Especially for the 1" polytubing.. if you choose that size, anything under 160 PSI could kink up and be unstable. 3/4" at 160 PSI is what I use and it works for me. Plus, the 3/4 is the inner diameter so it's just a little under 1 inch. Most important is a high PSI. I also recommend calling and contacting the supplier to make sure it is what you're looking for. Best of luck! Finding the material is the hardest part!
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Tue, April 6, 2004 - 6:46 PM
    That's black "polyethelene" tubing, if any of the people you contact don't know what you're talking about. I've asked for just plain "poly" tubing, and I get directed right to the PVC.
    It's used for irrigation sytems. I prefer the 3/4", as well. The PSI is subject to debate. Some folks prefer the 160 PSI, but I've made hoops from lesser psi's (but not lower than 100...to light and flimsy) and found them to be just as nice, if not a little less hard on the hips and shins (and arms and neck, and...add other body parts here.)
    Good luck finding the stuff. It's nearly impossible in LA.
    • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

      Wed, April 7, 2004 - 10:01 AM
      Thanks for the info!

      This stuff is hard to find in stores, but over the internet I think I can get it.

      Check out:
      www.mcmaster.com
      see pages 90-91 in the catalog. I think page 91, with the high density polyethylene is the recommended stuff. There are some options for 1" outer diameter. And it's pretty damn cheap. Whadayathink?
      • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

        Wed, April 7, 2004 - 11:18 AM
        You know? I always forget about McMaster-Carr. I get alot of things from them for work, and I didn't even think about them for tubing. If you do get it from them, let me know how it works out. They're down here in So Cal, so it'd be easy to pick up from them direct.
        Thanks for the tip! :)
      • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

        Mon, April 12, 2004 - 8:59 PM
        So, I met Just Colleen & her hoop yesterday, and I'd say the tubing she got from McMaster is too wimpy - it deforms when you spin it.

        I recently bought the Right Stuff (3/4" and 1", in both 100 and 160psi) at the Lowe's in Livermore, CA. If you want to check a Lowe's near you, here are the product numbers. Just call & ask if they have these in stock:

        24166 - 3/4" 100psi
        24195 - 3/4" 160psi
        24169 - 1" 100psi
        24197 - 1" 160psi
        22534 - 1" insert/connector
        22533 - 3/4" insert/connector

        :-) Jason
        • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

          Tue, April 13, 2004 - 9:28 AM
          wimpy wimpy! waaa!

          yes, it's more flexible, but I still kinda like it.
          Just wanted to point out that the psi rating doesn't really tell how rigid or flexible it will be - my stuff is "flexible polyethylene", 1", rated at about 150 psi. I think a key characteristic is bend radius.
          I'm going to order some rigid polyethylene from Mcmaster, with the specs Jason mentioned - I think that will be the same right stuff, I'll letcha know in case yall don't wanna drive to livermore like me...
        • I was considering ordering from McMaster after hours of research on how to get the right materials way out here on the Maui rock. Believe it or not, not one store (that I have scoped out) here carries it.

          If Colleen's was flimsy, were they the wrong specs? McMaster sure has many options. Bottom line, their shipping is the least expensive, and people like me have to consider that. Home Depot mainland wanted $95 to ship 100' to the HD here. So over $100 for $15 worth of material....EEEEK!

          If anyone is in the know for the island folks like me, please do share. I've been practicing the hoop for just a few months now and I am amazed at how many people want me to make them hoops. What a great little cottage industry.

          Anyway, I've just finally joined tribe today, after sporatically "lurking" for months now.

          Aloha,
          Erin
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    Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Wed, April 7, 2004 - 10:16 AM

    I use 3/4'' polyethelene gas piping called SDR11 (it's a little heavier than irrigation tubing but it still works great) It can be found at an irrigation store called Aqua Flow.
    They are located all over southern california.--Including: Santa Barbara, Goleta, Ventura, Torrence, Covena, and Santa Clarita.

    If you're not in s. california call your local gas man for a supplier. Oh, and don't forget to ask for the barbed fitting to
    put it together.

    Tools
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Wed, April 14, 2004 - 6:48 PM
    Just to let you all know, i did a websearch on Lowes and it is just a dead end. The only store on thier online store that said they had it was the Livermore store. I called my local store to see if they would do a 'tranfer' and bring some of the product closer to LA. They said it was impossible because the store was 'out of thier district'. Then, the Livermore store came back with a, 'oh, we don't even have that product in stock anymore'. Just trying to save some of your some time in your quest for the right tubing.
    • I work in Pleasaton by the livermore store. I go there for my hoop material. I've *never* seen 3/4" 160 PSI which I want dearly. I've been trying to find it on line. I was planning to go down there personally and ask...I'll let everyone know.
  • Simple Hoop Making

    Sat, June 26, 2004 - 4:47 PM
    Buy 2 – 3 ready-made children’s hula-hoops. These can be purchased at toy sections in many stores such as Toy’s R Us and Wal-Mart. Maui Toys, Inc. makes a nice one that is already covered in holographic tape called the ‘wave hoop’. They also make the ‘classic hoop’ that is made of colorful tubing. (You can make 2 finished hoops from 3 child size hoops)

    Cut up hoops with the ratcheting PVC cutter and re-connect them with several 1/2” internal coupling connectors for PVC. I like to use a little silicone glue in addition to duct tape to re-seal the hoop.

    Decorate with colorful fabric and/or electrical tape.

    These make nice lightweight hoops. They allow longer hoping times because they do not cause bruises as easily as some of the other tubing such as the heavy yellow polyethylene gas line.
    • Re: Simple Hoop Making

      Mon, June 28, 2004 - 11:27 AM
      I've done this, too, and it works just fine. Although, they are a bit on the light side. You can add weight to them by wrapping a heavier tape on tehm 2 or 3 times around b4 your decorative tape.
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Thu, April 26, 2007 - 6:06 PM
    I never found black polyethylene tubing in town (though I didn't go to a ton of places) so I settled on white PEX 160 PSI, 3/4" tubing and LOVE it.
    It's pricier than PE tubing, but the guy told me PEX is higher quality and will hold up better than PE (though he didn't know I was talking about hoops...haha...probably thought I was redoing the water pipes (It's hot/cold water tubing) in my house.)
    :)
    • well, i just got back from Lowe's. they had everything there, but the tubing was way more expensive than i thought (somewhere i thought i read 100' for $8). i got 100' of 3/4" 160 PSI for like, $26. but it will make a bunch of hoops, so it's still super cheap. and it will be so satisfying and fun to make my own =)
      • Hi Rebecca,

        What you paid is actually a good price for the stuff. Maybe the price that you heard before was $28 for 100'...? $8 for 100' is way lower than anything I've ever heard.

        Stef, I picked up some 3/4" 160 psi from someone selling it here on Tribe. If you can't find it in Livermore I can give you some next Tuesday if you'd like! Let me know how much you want.

        peakRrr
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Tue, June 19, 2007 - 9:25 AM
    ahh! i ran out of connectors and can't find any place in manhattan that sells them.


    what am i looking for in mcmaster? does anyone have the product number on hand? or the link?
    I need connectors in 3/4."



    or if anyone has extras in NYC, I'll buy em off you.


    this is as far as I got:
    www.mcmaster.com/
    • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

      Tue, June 19, 2007 - 12:27 PM
      I just ordered from mcmaster. Here is what I ordered, I sure hope its right! I will post when I receive it! You can do a search by item number.

      50375K57 High-Pressure Polyethylene Vacuum Tubing 3/4" ID, 1" OD, 1/8" Wall Thickness, White $0.84 per ft
      2808K112 White Polyethylene Sngl-Barb Tube Fitting Coupling for 3/4" Tube ID, Packs of 10 $7.14

      shipping was only $5
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        Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

        Wed, June 20, 2007 - 9:22 AM
        So I see people ordering 3/4" inner diameter tubing and 3/4 " outer diameter tubing. Which is the correct size for 3/4" connectors?
        • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

          Wed, June 20, 2007 - 11:01 AM
          my 3/4" inner diameter tubing works with 3/4" connectors. i've never seen 3/4" outer diameter (well, i guess that would be 1/2" inner, though, wouldn't it?)...
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            Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

            Fri, June 22, 2007 - 3:05 PM
            I got my tubing from us-plastics. It is supposed to arrive today. Well, UPS says "out for delivery," but that could mean I don't get it today depending on what time I get home from work. Stupid apartment rental office that closes early on Fridays... grr.

            Anyway they listed the HDPE as 3/4" outer diameter. There was no 3/4" inner diameter listed. I asked for some help with customer service and no one assisted me with making a choice so I got a couple rolls (one 3/4" outer diameter and one 1" outer diameter). We'll see what happens I guess. Worst case is I end up making a bunch of children's hoops out of the skinny stuff. There are loads of kids in the apartment community where I live. Watch me get them all to try hooping!
      • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

        Wed, June 20, 2007 - 3:32 PM
        this is exactly what you need.
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          Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

          Sun, June 24, 2007 - 12:59 PM
          So y'all were right:
          You want 3/4" inner diameter and 1" outer diameter HDPE.

          I wish I had found a site that was specific about that. I purchased from US-Plastics and didn't get what I needed. At all. And their customer service was willing to change an order for me but they were not willing to assist me with my selection. So I suggest using an alternative site as many of you have done already.

          On the bright side, I made my first children's hoop today out of 3/4 OD and 5/8 ID tubing. I think that's what I will do with the rest of the 5/8 ID tubing because it's too thin to use as an adult size hoop. I made a 32" diameter hoop and it wobbles a little bit so I won't make any bigger than that with the thin stuff.
          • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

            Mon, June 25, 2007 - 6:00 AM
            I buy HDPE tubing from www.mcmaster.com. They have the white, high-pressure, HDPE vacuum tubing and it is specified by ID and OD.

            Search for part number 50375K58 (it's on page 110), there will be a bunch of other sizes once you get there (click on catalog page). Or just do a search for polyethylene tubing.

            With a little bit of sanding, I've used smaller ID tubing as connnectors for the larger ID hoops. If you want, they've even got button connectors (94282a250, p 3239) to make quick disconnects for easy collapsible hoops.
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            I ordered the 3/4 ID and 1" OD tubing from McMaster Carr. It shipped quickly and they had good customer service complete with tracking numbers, etc.

            This stuf is H E A V Y though. I just have one layer of gaffer tape on this one and it is a lot heavier than bigger hoops I have from hoopgirl and philthy hoops. Good for workouts though!
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Fri, July 13, 2007 - 9:55 AM
    so i have used everything from 1" 100 psi to 3/4" 160 and 100 psi. . . the latest i got was the 3/4" 100 psi to make a collapsible hoop. ( didn't have much luck in making that one considering I can't find bulk bungee) but anyhoo. . . . my question is with the 3/4" 100 psi tubing what can i do to make it heavier besides water and lots of tape? i am on a budget so the taping would be to expensive and through wandering through other posts the general consensus it water is not the best idea because of weight distribution and bruising. These problems stray me away from rice or beans or whatever else I could fill with. Does anyone have any suggestions or should i just make a bunch of smaller hoops for kids?
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      Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

      Fri, July 13, 2007 - 9:59 AM
      Kelly you can put cheaper tape underneath - like duct tape. Then tape with gaffer or sparkle or whatever suits your fancy on top of that. If you use an inexpensive duct tape please be sure to keep the hoop out of high heat situations because the inexpensive duct tape will ooze if it gets much over 125 degrees F. So no hot car, no leaving in direct sunlight for extended periods of time.
    • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

      Fri, July 13, 2007 - 12:20 PM
      Is the problemn withthe hoop is that it's too light...or that it's too flexible?


      I just bought some 3/4" 100 psi, but am having tons of trouble making the hoop into a nice circle. It keeps wanting to get all egg shaped, squarish, or some other form of noncircular funky. It may be a LITTLE lighter than the 3/4" 160 psi, but that problem is nothing compared to the over the top mallability.
      • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

        Fri, July 13, 2007 - 1:56 PM
        How large are you trying to make the hoop? If you're trying to make it adult-size, it probably isn't going to work too well, since the 3/4" ID tubing at 100 psi is usually used for smaller, children's hoops. Try it at a higher psi (around 160) or at the same psi but a larger ID (1" works well). You may also want to make sure it's the right kind of tubing. Polyethylene, the kind used for irrigation, tends to be the most popular. Hope this helps!
        • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

          Fri, July 13, 2007 - 7:43 PM
          I have to jump in here. I don't think I've read EVERY post in this thread but if the current subject is roundness, I am having trouble here, too. I am new to it, ok, but I am using the 1" irrigation 160 psi, etc. I have made 9 hoops out of the bulk and the last 3 or 4 have come out not so round. It really bugs me and I don't know what to do about it. I researched it pretty good before I bought the materials so I am sure it must me me. :)

          If anyone has suggestions other than material I am listening (or reading). BTW I will read the entire thread now. :/ Thanks!
          • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

            Sat, July 14, 2007 - 7:44 AM
            Hi Lucian :)

            In relation to your "last 3 or 4 have come out not so round" it's because the first few were from the wider part of the coil. It's like this ' @ ' symbol. The 'a' in the middle has been coiled more tightly, so it will need more time to relax, where as the part around the outside is coiled less tightly, almost already in a perfect hoop shape.

            The best way to get around this problem is as soon as you buy your coil, cut the ties and loosen up the coil so that it's not as tight. Instantly the tubing will being to relax. Better still, cut a few hoop lengths from the inner most part of the coil and pull them apart like a letter " C " so that the connecting ends are not touching yet. Maybe put a garbage can, a suitcase, whatever you like in between. I use two chairs. Leave it for about a day and then when you come back to it, the hoop will have relanxed into a very workable shape.

            Good Luck :)
            • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

              Sat, July 14, 2007 - 10:50 AM
              Thanks Cass,

              Should I take apart the last few and try the suitcase or chair thing or are these
              just going to be that way? I appreciate the advice. I will definitely do that on
              my next batch. Funny because I got the stuff just to make a few for me and Marlo
              but now we are hooked and I am making different sizes until we find the 'one'
              for each of us. =)
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Fri, July 20, 2007 - 10:03 PM
    I am in the process of making a 'jasonunbound' hoop with polyethelene tubing. I was wondering about the thickness of them. I have seen hoopers on Utube and whatnot, with smaller hoops. Are those professionally made? the pipe insulators are kind of thick. And my hoop seems far thicker than the ones on the videos, I haven't yet tried it but wonder how my hands will hold it with all that action!

    also, the insulation splits, as it is supposed to, to go around pipe. Do you tape it completely shut with duct tape then decorative tape? or not worry about the gap it leaves, taping it with decorative tape anyway?

    Thanks!
  • Re: what kind of plastic tubing to make a hoop

    Sat, December 29, 2007 - 2:26 PM
    For those of you making bigger hoops and having trouble with them being not rigid enough, I was making mine of 100 PSI 1" black Silverline stuff from Lowe's and having the same issues. I also tried splicing pre-made hoops but they were too thin I think and actually too light-weight and still ended up not holding a round shape when spinning. I went back to Lowe's and talked to a guy who led me to the PEX (and I see Annie has used it with good results). I bought a few 10-foot sticks of 3/4" x 7/8" H/C PEX tube (white with lettering that appears it will come off pretty easily) for less than $5 each. The first hoop I made was one full piece with probably another 2-2.5 foot section, using 1/2" ribbed connectors (they are not tight but I will add glue when I find my perfect size) and duct tape, and I'm pretty darned pleased with how well they hold their shape in action! On a whim, I took one 10-foot section by itself and connected it, and shazam! I can hoop with that too. Perhaps even distribution of the weight may be what I needed (rather than water or sand sloshing around and making dead spots?). This makes me very happy. Now I don't hoop in slooooow-motion *all* the time. :-D

    These are denser/heavier than the black stuff, but I personally prefer it right now. I do note the label says to not install in direct sunlight, so there may be an issue of these decomposing/cracking sooner if one hoops outdoors much. Guess I'll find out some day. lol.

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