New hoopers, existing identities: What's in a name?

topic posted Tue, February 5, 2008 - 5:39 PM by  Revolva
I'm starting this post in response to something that was brought to attention in the videos tribe today. That is -- a hooper had recently chosen a performance identity (Revolver) that was nearly the same as the one I've been using since 2002 (Revolva) and a hoop crafting name that was *exactly the same* as one I've been using since 2004 (Revolver Hoops). And just to add to the mind-bogglingness, it's the second time that something like this has happened to me in only one year.

So, first of all, I wanted to say that I am super grateful to the most recent hooper. She has been absolutely respectful and nice since I contacted her, and it's all good. I believe it was an honest mistake.

But since identity conflict has been a pretty pivotal topic in my life lately, I wanted to share some of my thoughts on it -- especially for those of you who are just starting out and considering moving forward as a hoop performer/hoop professional.

Hooping began, like many other "underground" activites, very small, but it has progressed to a point where it's on the tipping point of being totally mainstream. Every single day, I see new people starting hoop businesses or performing under some hoop name I've never heard before. But I'm not even sure if some people realize how extensive the existing hoop community already is, or how important it is for two performers/businesses to have unique identities.

To anyone who is reading this and thinking, "Well, what's the big deal?" ... the big deal is that over time, through lots of hard work at something that you LOVE, you start to build contacts and a reputation. That helps you do even more of what you love. And your reputation is inseparable from your *name.* I have been "Revolva" for 6 years now.

I started performing with toy hoops when I didn't even know there WAS a hooping underground. Youtube, hooping tribe and hooping.org didn't exist yet. Now, there are established hoop training programs that teach people how to start a hoop business. I'm sure some other long-time hoopers out there can second the fact that there was NO SUCH THING six years ago. The hoop community was still soooooo obscure at that point.

So I will admit that it *never even occurred to me* to trademark my hooping identity. It's expensive, insanely complicated, and hooping was so weird when I first started that if you asked me what the chances were that someone would start doing hoop performances under my identity, I would have said, "One in a zillion."

But time passed. And last year, a woman in a city mere hours from Detroit (my home base, where I still perform often) suddenly launched herself as "Revolver," for performance at gigs that included the roller derby -- my long-standing gig in Detroit. I don't want to say much more about that, except it wasn't a fun experience. At all. I had to trademark my name.

So, the main thing that I wanted to express is this thread is that It's my opinion that our hoop community may be lacking something important. What it's lacking is a public record of in-use names. I'm actually talking about something that is not a new concept. The roller derby and burlesque communities are good examples of communities that, like hooping, started very obscure and then blew up. The result was confusion with two people performing the same activity under the same (or even a confusingly similar) identities.

That's why BOTH derby and burlesque help new and existing performers out by keeping a record of who's already out there.

Here is the derby's list of already in-use names:

www.twoevils.org/rollergirls/

Here is the burlesque community's list of already in-use names:

groups.yahoo.com/group/stagenames/

I don't think there's anything *legally* binding about a system like this. If someone wanted to be really nasty, she could register a federal trademark anyway, after finding out that you exist. BUT what this does is address the fact that hooping, like it or not, has blown WAY up, and new people are going to decide to perform and craft hoops every single day. They are going to choose identities. They are going to continue to choose identities that are the same or confusingly similar to ones that are already in-use ... unless there's a simple way for them to check. (I'm not the only hooper who has suffered from identity conflict recently).

In regards to two comments I can see arising in subsequent posts --

1) REGISTERING THE "OFFICIAL" WAY VS. HAVING A COMMUNITY-BASED LIST:

It's fine for certain teacher training programs to instruct people to go back out into the world and legally buy up all the rights to everything having to do with a hoop business or performance identity. That's the legal way to go. If you're able to do it -- do it, because you can't really argue with it. Unfortunately, since we're artists and not corporations, just because a hoop name isn't listed on the government patent and trademark website -- that does not mean it hasn't been in use. For years. And because lots of money is required to take expensive hoop training programs AND to go follow the resulting advice to buy up expensive trademarking/registering, etc ... that really puts certain people at an advantage (rich) and certain people at a disadvantage (poor) in terms of who's allowed to use an identity.

Also, if you do a search for a word that is only one letter off from another word, you're going to think you're fine. Trying to google an identity or do a URL search in the ocean of online information is kind of ... insane. And there are so many names to be had, what's the point of having Revolva/Revolver or The WhirlyGirlz/The WhirlyGirls or Hoopalicious/Hoopalishus? Why not just choose something that will not at all be confused with anyone else?

2) "I AM SPIRITUALLY BEYOND ALL OF THIS BUSINESS STUFF ANYWAY" OR "WE SHOULD ALL JUST SHARE"

Again, fine. That's a valid opinion. I want to address it, though, because I have heard it, and I don't agree with it. Over time, I have had to work VERY hard to even register on the radar. Detroit is not full of the opportunities some other cities have. It took me a long time to even work my way up to bigger and bigger shows -- eventually 1,000 person gigs like the roller derby -- even inside the city. And then, it's taken me even longer to develop a resume and a reputation that allows me to perform outside of that city.

Anywhere that I've gotten is attached to MY NAME. I created Revolva as a hooping superwoman character for a live comic book performance I did years ago. "Revolva" the hoop identity actually existed *before* I was doing regular hoop performances under that title. And even that was six years ago. So from almost day one, that identity has been inseparable from my own process of self-discovery as "a hooper." Since I've worked hard, and my name actually had spiritual significance to me before it even started to have business significance ... it think it's fair to expect another hooper to just choose something unique.

When identities are not EASILY distinct to the average person, suddenly all of your hard work is tied in with someone else. All of *your* contacts suddenly find *two* hoopers when they google your name. Which one is correct? People who want to see you perform go to a show ... that is actually for another hoop performer. We, as hoopers, all know the subtle differences in style and remember something like a slight variation in name. The average person has no clue. And this is especially difficult when you're dealing with neighboring cities (like my first experience with confusing identities). But now I travel, and the internet also collapses space. AND google searches combine similar terms ... like Revolva and Revolver. It's way complicated to have two performers with the same identity.

Some people like to hoop for fun, fitness, meditation, etc. and I absolutely honor that. It's beautiful. The hoop is a mutli-faceted tool. So if this doesn't apply to you, then it doesn't apply to you. But because the hoop can also be used for professional endeavors, I think it might be wise to acknowledge that we have an existing professional hoop community. And to HELP people, we could have a community-based way to keep track of names. One that possibly prevents hoopers from having to go through pain when it's already too late -- and that, although not legally binding, provides a way for those without tons of money to say, "Hey, I'm here!" without having to pop up on the government's trademark website.

When this happened to me last year, I created a yahoo table just like the burlesque community's -- just to see how it would look. At the time, I felt like things between the other hooper and I were still touchy, so I never took it off "private." I've since discussed it with some other hoopers. And now, I present the idea to our entire community. If there seems to be interest, I can provide a link to the tentative hoop name registry that's modeled after the burlesque one. So, the discussion is officially open:

Would it be helpful to provide a way to keep track of names?
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Revolva
Oregon
  • this is a really interesting conversation!

    After going by "Harmony Hoops" for 4 years, I just recently began getting emails that were for someone going by a very similar name. My first instinct was to be a little annoyed, and then I had the urge to change MY name, and then I stepped back and thought "interesting. someone else realized how much harmony is present in the movement of the hoop."

    I researched and it looks like their name is recently copyrighted, and they also sell hoops, and I am WAY too poor to consider paying money to register a name, but it doesn't change who i am. Or how long I've been making hoops, teaching hooping, and performing under this name.

    But...this is my business, and I grew it, like you said, attached to this name! If they were in my hometown, it would be a super-bummer.

    I think a community list of names is great. I am still considering changing my performance name, and I'd love to see a list to be sure I'm not infringing on anyone else's chosen name, because I know how that feels.

    Thanks for starting this interesting, helpful conversation!

    "a hooper by any other name would smell as sweet." :) but...we all recognize what a rose is BY its name! :)
    • This is interesting. I imagine that in business, names have to be properly registered, name checks are a part of that process, but this is such a grassroots community. Hoopers know names. If a new hooper takes on a well-established name, I'm sure it would be out of simple ignorance. It's the people beyond our community who would confuse names, at times to the detriment of someone's livelihood. I guess I'm saying that standard business protocol is needed here.

      It's especially important to keep names distinct since so many people do business on the web. For instance, I got curious about the Revolva comic book character. I wanted to see what she looked like, so I googled Revolva and Google asked if I meant Revolver. I mean, how many people will be put off the trail by that? Although, in this case, Google thought I meant the gun. But what about Revolva hoops getting confused with Revolver hoops? That identity confusion could easily happen. In business, if you've registered your name and someone uses it, it's within bounds to ask someone to stop using the name. If that doesn't settle things, a letter from a lawyer will. It sucks because we all about good vibes, but people have business to protect.

      I guess it's bound to happen, I mean how many hoop+cool suffix words are there? If it's your business, I suppose you need to legally register, cuz there's gonna be alot more Hoopsexys, Hoopstarz and Hoopstaordinaries coming along.

      But what do I know? I'm just Hoop Boy from the Hoop Trail (hehe).
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    I appreciate this thread. I also appreciate how well versed and educated you are on the subject. My name is Ali. Growing up I never met another Ali. I knew Alisons and Alexandras but never met an Ali. In the 70's I couldn't even find a miniature novelty license plate or a mug with my name on it. Then when I joined Tribe last year I saw that almost everyone was named Ali. So I chose Hooper Cali fragulistic expi Ali docious. It was obnoxiously long so I shortened it to Hooper.
    Now, I only hoop for fun so I think my most generic of monikers is somewhat acceptable, but the thing is, once you get into this community and you stick with it you have no idea where it can lead to. I never went in to this thinking of being a performer, but then I started making videos and enjoyed it so much I started thinking, I love hooping, I love producing, I live in Hollywood, maybe I could produce a show about Hoopers. Now, that hasn't happened but if it did, would I be Hooper? Would that be the stupidest name or the most egotistical?
    Thing is, I really like Hooper. No one has ever said "Hey Hooper, can I see you in my office" or "Hooper, we need to talk" So now I have this name that may not be able to grow with me.
    So, I think it's good advice to put some forethought into a name.
  • Thank you Revolva for putting the effort forth on this topic. I craft and sell hoops, I just started performing very recently, and although I don't use a name other than my given name to perform under -- I have been using a couple phrases and such for three years now. I sell my hoops under the name of "Skye Hoops - Increasing Positive Energy One Revolution at a Time" and I also host a monthly group hoop gathering "GYHO -- Get Your Hoop On!" (which I have also been doing for about 2 1/2 years). Both of these terms have been part of MY hoopscene since I began hooping and selling hoops at the local Farmer's Market in 2005. I won't be spending the money to trademark or register anything.

    I do think it would be beneficial to the ever-growing hoop community to have and maintain a list of names. It might make more people think a little more about name ownership before just using something without checking, it could make things easier for all.
  • You bring up a lot of good points - thank you for starting this dialogue!

    I am sure that most of the similar names are innocent mistakes, and I'm glad that the most recent person you dealt with was so gracious about it. It's more of an issue when neither person is aware of the other and starts building up a business/clientele/following and then they both feel very invested in the name. Again, unintentional, but still.

    Like you, I didn't have the money to trademark and copyright my name, but I didn't think anything of it until someone made a comment to me about how much they liked my name. To be honest, the thought never crossed my mind that this person would intentionally steal my name but it made me realize huh, if that situation were to arise, what would I do? Especially since I never registered a trademark or copyright or anything!

    Having a list would absolutely be a great idea! It would avoid a lot of the accidental double dipping. I think sometimes people get so excited about starting their hoop stuff (and I don't necessarily mean specifically a business or a website or a performance career) that they pick something and go with it, not realizing that someone else already has a very similar name. I'll admit that I've mixed up some hooping names, even though I know which ones are which. Not everyone with a hoop name has a website, so sometimes googling doesn't work. Looking for every iteration of your chosen name can be difficult too.

    I'm all for starting a list! If you decide to go ahead with it and you need any help, let me know!
  • I think a list where one could register their name is a great idea. This post brought up a lot of very good points.
    • Revolva, I really appreciate that you started this conversation and totally support the honor system registry. It seems like the hoop attracts interesting and conscious individuals who, if informed about the registry, would check in and respect others. Plus, I want to include government entities and lawyers as little as possible in my world. And I feel less inclined to invest serious cash for anything that could possibly be handled among civil, respectful beings who love hooping.

      It seems to me that since teacher/business training programs are in full effect that don't enable teachers who complete training to operate under the umbrella of that business, then that business training should include some ethical, respectful practices of researching and choosing a business name. I could understand someone coming to hooping who wasn't linked online to choose an already existing name without bad intention. However, someone completing a business/teacher training should come out with some respect for pre-existing hoop business owners and performers....

      Do you think there should be a performance name registry and a separate hoop name registry? Would they be one in the same? It seems that some folks have more than one name affiliated with their hoop businesses.
      i.e. Anah is Hoopalicious and has Hoop Revolution, the company.


    • Since there seems to be some interest, here's the sample table I made. I set it to public, so anyone should be able to join. Let me know if you have any comments about how it's set up, because more or less categories can be there. I just figured performance name, troupe name and business name were the pivotal things. All you have to do to list your name is join yahoo groups (very easy - if you're not already a member) and click "database" on the left-hand list of links. Thanks for your comments.

      groups.yahoo.com/group/hoopingnames/
      • Oh, so much to say on this topic.... I'll come back to this post when I have more time to write. In the meantime, though, I just wanted to say two things... First, Revolva, I'm glad your experience with the most recent hooper you mentioned, turned out on a positive note. She's a wonderful person and I know for a fact that it was an honest mistake. When she was brainstorming names, I had never hooped before and knew nothing about this whole community. We would have conversations like, "How about Hoop Girl?" And she'd say, "No, that name's taken." I know you corresponded with her directly and the situation has been resolved. But I just wanted to add my two cents, since she would never do something like that intentionally.

        Second... the issue of trademarking. Yes, it's expensive but I honestly feel as though it's necessary. In fact, I feel so strongly about this that I'm not launching my website & brand until my trademarking paperwork is complete (we're in the process now). Think about how much more expensive, time consuming and brand damaging it would be if someone were to trademark your name (if you hadn't done so already), after you've been using it for years. Legally, you would be required to change everything that you've worked so hard to create. As hooping gains popularity, so does the risk of someone stealing your identity. I've seen it happen, and it's not pretty... at that point, you're dealing with lawyers, fees, etc. I view trademarking as a business start up expense. In my opinion, it's a must.

        I've been in the marketing/ public relations field for about 8 years now. And yes, there's something to be said for those "interesting, conscious individuals" that Jewels mentioned. What a wonderful world that would be if we could rely on this alone. I think a registry is a great idea... but my question is this: How do you ensure that all parties looking to start hooping businesses are informed about the registry? And worse yet, what if they are informed but they choose not to honor it, since - technically - it's not "legally binding?" I would hope that you would never have to deal with such a situation. And while (today) this particular community is very connected via Tribe, Hooping.org, etc. - will that be the case if & when hooping becomes more mainstream? Personally, I don't want to take that chance. I've already invested so much time, energy and effort into my business and the site isn't even live yet. I can't imagine being a long-time hoop dance veteran without the protection of a trademark. The risk is too high.
        • P.S. As for the monetary issue of a trademark, I would suggest a small business loan. (That's the route I'm taking in order to make it happen.) FYI - it costs approx. $500. And I look at it this way... it's going to pay for itself in the long run, and I'll be able to sleep well at night in the meantime, knowing that I'm protected.
          • I have been hooping for 3 years without knowledge of an underground hoop community. As someone who has stumbled upon you wonderfully talented people via tribe.net, I have been since pondering a performance name, but have had nowhere to check in respect to others. I am relieved at the timing of this thread. I would never intentionally take someone's identity and years of hard work from them. So, I just present my self as Dana (that's me) until I can create a performance name for myself that is unique. Thanks so much for the post. I think it is a fabulous idea, and I will wait and give time to others to post to the database before I make a final decision. I would feel more comfortable throwing it out there to you oldschoolers before it's final, as well, to make sure you haven't heard of anyone with same name.
            • Yes, Hoola Monster, I appreciate your comment -- first, on how nice the recent hooper is .... second on the fact that trademarking is a good idea IF you can afford it. But I still think having a community-based list of in-use names would be smart and helpful. Several reasons:

              1) In terms of a trademark guaranteeing you security ... that's only true after it goes through. And that takes a LONG time, in addition to being extremely complicated. My first step was having to get a lawyer to explain the submission process. You can do it online, but take one look at the website, and you'll realize that it's written in legal-ese. It's almost impossible to figure out how to do it without help. Then, once the lawyer helped me fill it out, I had to resubmit my sample of the identity "in-use" (a show flyer) three different times. And then, toward the end of the process, the tentative name is listed in a govt. patent/trademark office publication, and people have 30 days to contest its use. If no one contests it, THEN it's yours. It took me almost a year from the date I submitted it to get my final document of ownership.

              So just to note, after all of this hard work, during that final 30 day period, a trademark application can be contested and thrown out. In which case, I believe you just lose your money. If there was some way to check on a name's availability *within the hoop community* before going through this insane and stressful trademarking process, wouldn't that be a nice addition to trying to check availability by searching the govt. patent/trademark website or just randomly googling it? Like I said, what if you're *one letter* off?

              2) People have said, "Well, how would new hoopers know to check the list of in-use names?" I say that if it's possible to list this on hooping.org and prominently on hooping.tribe, then new hoopers would be *irresponsible* NOT to check it before just going full force with buying up rights to a name. The hooping community has already existed for quite a while at this point. I can't imagine that someone would just start doing hoop performances and building hoops tomorrow without ever looking at the online hoop community's resources.

              And really, who would want to choose a name that's going to be loaded with bad feelings from the start because someone else had already been using it for years? I mean, yes, a hooper can just come along and submit a trademark application after already knowing about you. But I doubt that decision would go over so well with the wider hoop community. Trying to be a "hoop performer" after taking an already in-use identity -- one that was listed publicly in a prominent place -- wouldn't be that fun, would it? Maybe lawyers would back up that action, but I don't think *we* would. And one of the nice things about hooping is being part of the community. Can you imagine performing under a copied name, knowing the hoop community was totally disappointed in you?

              I don't believe we want to hurt each other. I believe we want to help each other. So I just see this as a way for us to support the people who already exist -- and to provide a searchable list of names for people who are just starting out.
              • Your points are well-taken, Revolva, and I absolutely think that a community-based list of in-use names is a great idea.

                I also agree with you that trademarking is a lengthy process (I'm going through it now)... but there are user-friendly methods out there, and you don't necessarily need to get a lawyer involved if the research is done in advance. I used LegalZoom.com and had my dad's business partner look everything over. Also, once the trademark is filed online and the fees have been paid, you can begin using the TM symbol. I have a business partner, and we filled out all of the paperwork during our lunch break. We're selling costumes and hoops mainly, and the performance aspect of our business is somewhat secondary. In addition to the online forms, we just had to submit a hard copy of our 'mark' (i.e. logo).

                As for trademark applications being contested and thrown out, I really don't think that happens very often. I only imagine this being an issue if there were competitors with the same name, within the same category. I'm a marketing manager for a restaurant company, and I recently trademarked all of the signature items on our menu for 80 locations. It took a few months, but none of the applications were rejected. There are trademark search functions also, so you can check on the availability of your name before moving forward with the trademark process.

                You make a very good point about new hoopers. Yes, we should all stay informed, especially if we're venturing into the hoop business. I agree that a certain level of responsibility must be placed on the individual to do his or her research *within the hooping community* before moving forward with a performance/ business name. But, even still - mistakes DO happen (as in the case of my friend who was using the name 'Revolver'). I don't think anyone would want to piss off the hooping community or intentionally use a name that someone else has claimed. I'm just going with the old saying, 'better to be safe than sorry.'

                Either way, I think you're doing a good thing by starting the community-based list. I support it 100%, and I feel as though it does provide a level of accountability on the 'new hooper/ new business owner.'

                Last point - and then I'll shut up ;) - going back to the point about hooping gaining popularity... I had three emails in my 'in box' this morning about a hooping segment that ran on our local NBC affiliate's 6 o'clock news last night. Every day, more and more people find out about the wonderful world of hooping. It's gaining popularity by the minute, and I just don't want to see any of you beautiful hoopers get burned. With that said, I'm posting a couple of links below that some might find helpful...

                Here's a link to trademark education: www.legalzoom.com/trademark...ition.html

                Here's one to search in-use trademarks... United States patent and trademark office: www.uspto.gov/main/sitesearch.htm

                Again - you don't have to be rich to trademark your name (I'm nowhere NEAR rich... but I did it because I think it's important).
            • Love this conversation, folks!

              I am Christa, my company is ChristaHoops (I try to keep things simple.. my knitting business is ChristaKnits... )... and the classes and workshops I teach are called Hoop Play - because I want to be welcoming non-dancers, and I don't have a focus on fitness.

              I had an email exchange with another BC hooper a year or two ago, because she had started teaching classes called Hoop Play as well... and at the time, I was concerned that there might be some confusion about our programs, and feeling upset that my 'brand' was being used by someone else... but today I'm at a point where I realize that more exposure for hooping, in any form, is a good thing. If someone starts to use "ChristaHoops" I'll prob take steps again to ask them to change or modify it.. but Hoop Play, Hoop Dance, Hoop Yoga, Hoop Fitness, etc, I'm releasing to the universe :) (or to anyone else who is trademarking them...)

              Side note: if you want to be easily found online, by people doing Google searches to check out potential business names for themselves, then get busy! Post everywhere! Connect with other hoop businesses who have listings on their sites for companies in other regions! Buy ad space on hooping.org! Post comments on hooping.org with your business or performer name! Make your Tribe ID your business name! (google me, and you'll see a bunch of the hits are from Tribe) Write articles for online newspapers, or send them press releases so that they will contact you the next time they run a hoop-related (or fitness, or dance, or yoga, or whatever) article! Be proactive about building your business, and stay positive about the energy in the hoop business community - it is a great combination!

              I do love the idea of an online registry, and when it happens (is the YahooGroups a permanent thing, or just a trial space?) I'd be happy to pop a link in this Tribe's header info page.

              X.



              (hey, weird: I just googled 'Christa Hoops' to see if anyone else came up.. and the first three pages are all me, but someone claims that I sell videos! Untrue!)

              (haha.. I just googled "Krista hoops" too.. and found a fire hoop video of me with my name spelled incorrectly!)
              • Hey Xta/Christa~

                I just sent a message to Philo, asking him to take a peek at the yahoo table to get his thoughts about putting it on hooping.org. I was just about to contact you to get your opinion about listing it on tribe, and then I saw that you posted.

                I think the yahoo database has been working for the burlesque community. And some hoopers have already signed up to this table. If it seems to work (at least for now), I think it would probably be okay to start using it. Unless anyone has a better idea.

                The derby's system seems more high-tech. I did a search for "Revolva" and got back the answer that it had a "high likelihood" of being rejected because there's already a "Revulva" (nice!) and some other Revolver-related name. So they actually have someone officiating what's "allowed" to be registered. I guess "Revolva" can't skate for the derby. Sigh. (I'm afraid to break my bones anyway.)

                So, I think if yahoo provides at least a list that can be searched, we could rely somewhat on the honor system instead of on an "official judge" to accept or reject. That way, you can list Christa Hoops. And maybe Krista Hoops? :) But not Hoop Play. Nice of you to give that up to the universe.

                But if anyone else has feedback on the yahoo table -- its existence or how it's set up -- feel free to comment. It can be modified. Probably better to do it earlier rather than later, though, since people are already listing themselves.
              • in reply to dana, fyi there is a local hooper here w/ that name...who is a teacher/performer. i don't know if she's copyrighted it yet.

                and, just to add to this whole topic, no doubt you need to protect your hard work and vested interests...people will take what they can in the business world, especially the entertainment industry...which is why online (and off) songwriting groups are always encouraged to copyright their material (as an example)
                .....tho hoopers in general may be a kicked back group who wouldn't even concieve of someone stealing their name..hate to say it, but that's naive...what may be honest mistakes now may come back to haunt you if you don't take action. that's just the way it goes..

                oh yeah another example...ever been at the .99 store where sometimes they sell off name brands and you see a product that looks exactly like a top of the line one only to get home and find that you bought crap...that's marketing.

                and finally, the biggest hooper mainstream name of all is copyrighted.. uh, that would be "hula"..and tho the word is almost like saying kleenex instead of tissue or clorax instead of bleach...whamo recently made it real clear it was a trademarked name.

                when i hoop i refer to it as hoop dancing or hooping, weighted hoops, etc.. but all the folks who come out to the park when we are hooping always refer to them as hula hoops...we know they aren't...it's just a name that's imprinted in people's minds. trying to explain the difference is tedious....but i would rather try to educate a newcomer than have them believe we are using a whammo....
  • I don't perform or teach (yet) but I've been nicknamed *Hoopzilla* ever since I started hooping late 06. I had started refering to myself as Bridezilla while planning my wedding (I wasn't a true bridezilla, honestly, it was for fun and in the end, not only were my friends and family calling me Bridezilla but all my vendors ended up refering to me as such); then, when I got married, some people had been calling me Bridezilla for about a year so they switched to wifezilla...so when I started being obsessed with hooping, it was only natural that my friends call me Hoopzilla. Actually, I think my husband is the one that first called me that. Some just call me 'zilla but when I get my hoop on, I'm Hoopzilla (which is kind of ironic considering I'm quite tiny)

    I won't trademark it though for various reason but I love it. I think a list is a great idea!
    • Hey, I've put the wrong date in the database, if I had brains I'd be dangerous me. Is is possible to remove my record so that I can do it again?
      • Go ahead, Sharna. I took it down, and you can resubmit whatever you like. Yeah, the only prob there seems to be is that the moderator can edit if someone requests a change. But that person can't edit her/his own document.

        So if someone has another suggestion or the ability to create an edit-able (is that a word?) database, suggest or create away. Otherwise, I believe the burlesque performers just send a message saying, "I changed my name. Can you list 'Bombshell Betty' instead of "Bombshell Bettie'?" ... or whatever. If you look at the burlesque group, you can see posts like that.
    • 28 hoops later

      Thu, February 7, 2008 - 11:56 PM
      Ha! "Hoopzilla" is my current gtalk message. Of course, I was Hoopenstein a couple of weeks ago. Count Hoopula is the next logical step.
  • Thank you for starting this thread. Two years ago we researched online, trademarks pending, etc. extensively before choosing our name that came through meditation. Six months after we had logos, business proposals out in the community, etc. we had a similar name come up when googled. We also were terribly disappointed but had invested a lot of effort in networking throughout the northeast and didn't feel we could change our name at that point. It would have been wonderful to have a resource like this to check. In this wonderful circular world we are all living and playing in we do receive similar inspiration. I agree with Xta that I am not going to sweat over the names of workshops, jams,
    etc. but our business name and performer names are important when you have invested your time, money, personal and professional integrity to build something special. Hopefully this list will be easy to find to assist new hoopers who are inspired to take the next step and start a business. I agree with Bunny Hoop Star's video when she said "there are hoopers and there is the rest of the world". I feel most hoopers would be grateful for such a list I certainly would have appreciated it myself.
    • I figured out there's a way to change the settings so that *I think* you all edit and update your own records. I'm not sure if it means you can also edit the things others post. Let me know if it works. And if it does, please stick to editing your own entry!
      • I'm a coward, I admit it. My first thought when the thread was first posted was that if one wants to reserve a name for oneself - and only oneself - then one had best trademark it... and if one can't or won't then it's up for grabs... I think that's the law or something. But I kept my thoughts to myself because I didn't want to tick anybody off, I saw how the first posters were going, and nobody really asked me. Heck, my name on most of the rest of internet (and my license plate) is "roflol." Can you imagine me getting mad every time somebody uses "my" name without my permission? ;-)

        However, when I read/interpreted that it's assumed any new hooper or name-seeker would look here first, I have to suggest something. What will happen when somebody learns in a class and takes it up, then gets good watching youtube clips and DVDs, and gets good enough to teach or perform, then thinks of a name (or close to it) somebody here has been using and starts using it or trademarks it? Your database is a fine first step, but if you really want to protect your investment, you will have to go all the way to trademarking, or risk losing it... and if somebody trademarks it before you do, you will likely lose your rights to the name... please correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure this could happen in the business world (although I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV).

        Regarding hoop names... there have been some *really* interesting and clever hoopy names here, but eventually there will come a time when the great river of hoopulous puns will run dry and all the good ones will be taken as this way of life continues to take off and people continue to take it up and need posting names. So get 'em while they last.

        I'm glad your situation resolved positively, Revolva. I hope it doesn't come up again, or ever for any of you. For me, I don't think I'll have issues with this... I'm *still* trying to learn to walk and hoop at the same time. roflol ;-)
        • Lordy, lordy, lordy... I really need to learn to read through *all* of the other posts before I open my yap. I believe my relevant points were already covered by various and sundry wise persons already. So... please pardon my redundancy. e_e
          • Revolva contacted me about this and I'd already been following this thread and thinking about it. In case you don't know me I'm the editor of Hooping.org. Recently someone started "hulahooping.org" - a poorly designed website hoping to capitalize on internet user confusion to fuel google advertising profits. It was really annoying, but it wouldn't have pissed me off nearly as much if he hadn't even used my "hoop marketplace" language. I've worked long and hard to build up Hooping.org and while in most cases incidents surrounding names and trademarks are simply mistakes and people just didn't know through no fault of their own, in some cases, like this one, it's deliberate, rude and opportunistic.

            I'm telling you this simply to say that when I read Revolva's frustration with this happening to her, especially having talked with her in person about it all the last time in happened, I was really getting it loud and clear. She asked me if Hooping.org could open up a Hoop Names Directory and I've done just that. I also want to explain that I wasn't sure I was going to, but then I actually went to the yahoo group and found it incredibly confusing. I joined, but then I saw 25 other members and there wasn't any names listed, unless the yahoo names were the names, in which case I would need to create another yahoo account because philosfcity isn't my hooping name (laughing out loud) and I really didn't feel like doing that. Furthermore, it dawned on me that if you searched the yahoo group listings and you spelled something even a letter differently, as referenced in my Hooping.org post listed below, you'd be no better off than when you started. The list on Hooping.org is going to follow in the steps of the Hoop Group Directory (which was updated tonight for those who care). Leave your info in the comments and everything will be alphabetized and organized periodically to keep things super simple and clear. We have Hooping.org which is something burlesque and roller derby people don't have and I'm happy to share it.

            Here's my post on hooping.org about protecting names identities an