http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#48dc60b7-f7d3-4513-a476-68c1fcdcd689 Thanks for the tips, Kelly and Renee! I am pleased to announce that I can finally do beam me up, functionally at least if not beautifully, lol. Certainly not to the degree on Sharna's video, but sometimes twice in a row. :-D I'll take it; simple minds simple pleasures. ;-) Turns out it was "all about the O" for me (not whole-hand-grabbing the hoop as in the usual lift-from-the-waist move)... and that "snap" thing... and keeping the hoop closer to my body... and probably some other stuff that I can't pinpoint but am somehow doing now. ;-) I learned it using my "Huga-Hoop" ;-) - 51" diam of 3/4" 160 psi Zurn PEX from Lowe's (more rigid and dense *I think* than the Lowe's black Silverline PE - it definitely holds its shape better in action). I am 5'2" ish so this comes up almost to my neck. I am a busty 180 pounds (apple body form) with a shorter torso and find the heavier hoops a blessing. I lose control of the lighter ones quickly, and once they exit the happy zone (just below the bust and just above my presumed hips) they are dooooooooooomed. The heavier hoop also doesn't require the taping so much, which - in the current dry winter air with 3 dogs shedding like cheap rabbit coats - is a good thing. About every third dropped hoop, I have to "sweep" the static-y fur off the hoop. I have enough now to cover several mid-sized chihuahuas. ;-) Anywho, I can do this now with the 45" PEX hoop also, albeit not quite as well. So mission accomplished. Time to add more building blocks! Thanks to all for the info! Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:23:29 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#48dc60b7-f7d3-4513-a476-68c1fcdcd689 Terri 2008-01-08T19:23:29Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#45ab6e94-7a09-4bae-8716-4d34e3fcd4b7 I 'also' would like to beam Sharna to my house!! LOL! (My friend and I love her style. we just watched her two new ones last night.) One thing that might help is spinning in the direction of the hoop.. it will give you X-tra time. Another thing is.. you mentioned that your hoop might be too heavy.. Is it a heavy hoop? weighted? it shouldn't matter but I would try a lighter one if you feel it might help. I have found hoops are like tools and ...especially when I was learning many of the basic moves... it helped to have a variety of hoops to choose from.. as Ani Difranco says "You gotta have the right tool for every job.." Eventually you will be able to hoop with just about any hoop..(or you may lean to the smaller ones like many of the pros.) Either way keep trying & when you finally get it.. it will feel sooooo good. I had to try and fail many times until I found my groove. Good luck! peace. Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:59:01 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#45ab6e94-7a09-4bae-8716-4d34e3fcd4b7 Mtn. HoopS 2008-01-08T12:59:01Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#3981bb9a-0ec6-49a2-b407-187ea68b2429 If you want to work the hoop up your body with your arms, try moving up your shoulders (like shrugging) one after another. The shoulder that should go upwards is the one that touches the hoop. So when the hoop contacts your right upper arm, move up that shoulder, and when it touched the left, move up that one. If you want to work it up without arms you first speed it up a bit, exaggerate the movement and try to catch the hoop on the part of your chest where it is supposed to land. You have to be a little bit quicker than the hoop so the hoop 'lands' on a higher place on your body. (for females that's usually just above the breasts) But if you can't chest or shoulder hoop yet I should try working on that first. (by just giving the hoop a whirl on the right height). You can also try the other way around first, from neck to chest or shoulders. Most people think that's easier. From neck to shoulder hooping it's basically moving your shoulders upwards both at the same time or one after another (when the timing is right) and keep hooping, or for chest hooping just sticking your arms in the air. Goodluck! Hope this helped. Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:10:57 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#3981bb9a-0ec6-49a2-b407-187ea68b2429 Renée 2008-01-07T11:10:57Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#0a6ec18d-9034-4a5e-8e5b-ad517fbc5a81 Joanna, probably 80% of the most recent views of sharnarose's BMU on youtube are me - I am upway2l8again there ;-). I wish I could beam *her* to my house, because I am obviously missing something in the vid. I lose momentum after the first hand-off, and I don't know where it's supposed to come from. lol Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:41:42 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#0a6ec18d-9034-4a5e-8e5b-ad517fbc5a81 Terri 2007-12-29T21:41:42Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#9ad04b56-9dac-42ef-9e10-0789191757db Terri, Sharna Rose's video on the beam me up really helped me nail that one. She slows down the video which is key. (((Sharna))) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLTbWNKEVU8 Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:20:09 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#9ad04b56-9dac-42ef-9e10-0789191757db Joanna 2007-12-29T19:20:09Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#28adcfa0-3a10-4bc1-aee4-3303818eb3e3 Funny how even old posts keep on giving. I am still trying to wrap my head around why I cannot *yet* manage a Beam Me Up (is my hoop too heavy? am I not understanding the move after all? is gravity actually stronger here in Missouri - as I have suspected all along?) so was looking for info on it and found this thread, and there is so much good info here that I missed my first time around. When I see the hooping vids I don't recognize the individual moves, I see it all flowing together (which is funny since I usually lack Gestalt vision) so to have a list of basic moves is really quite nice. I have some of them functional, and will work on the others. Thanks for the information, peeps! Yay for learning by instinct, but yay to the third power for learning with some help. :-) Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:46:32 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#28adcfa0-3a10-4bc1-aee4-3303818eb3e3 Terri 2007-12-29T08:46:32Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#911ff364-6bc9-4ce9-b016-6a7bb360c7b1 hooping on the core... Like being able to hit all the spots on the center so you start with the waist, learn how to hoop around your natural waist as well as arround the hips. Then the neck tends to be easiest next. Some people then go down to the knees, some learn to hoop on the chest. Hooipng aorund the chest you can add arms and it becomes shoulder hooping, though i find it easier without the arms. Geting really complex you can learn how to ankle hoop, Those are the core spots i think of. Then hand hooping work, passing the hoop around you, hooping on your hand vertically, hooping on your hand above you horizionally. Anything you do with one hand learn to do with your other as well. A lot of things you can do as well with both hands in a prayer like position. i like to go from there to getting it on and off the core and moving it around the core with the hands. So moving the hoop up from the knees by grabing it, or moving it up to your neck by grabbing it, or by taking it off the body by grabbing it. Then putting it back on. Again, learn how to take it on and off with both hands. Learning with both hands ia paramount to learning how to do things like "beam me up" and isolating the hoop while inside it (Xta's version of stalling by using the hand, similar to a beam me up except the hoop isn't going up and down.) For the neck you can pop and arm in and hoop from neck to armpit, then pop the arm abck out and pop the other arm in. that tends to be fairly simple if you can anticipate the opening. From there you can alternate arms, go from neck to shoulder to chest and back agin easially. You can also pick it off and put it on again easially with your hands. that was my rambling, btu that's what i tend to teach first... Wed, 28 Feb 2007 05:56:51 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#911ff364-6bc9-4ce9-b016-6a7bb360c7b1 ammre 2007-02-28T05:56:51Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#e24a89d9-4446-4fd9-9b5b-59f3c392c522 The hand dips and hand passes are exactly what I've been looking for to do next. So far the beginning steps for me have been: Waist hooping - catching the hoop when it starts to fall before it lands on the top of my feet - waist hooping for 10:00 - waist hooping for 10:00 in either direction Around the hips - getting the hoop back up when it goes down to my hips - getting the hoop to go down to my hips and back up - keeping the hoop down and going around my hips for awhile then back up Reversals - reversing the direction of the hoop with my hand - this was surprisingly easy to learn - reversing every minute or every 10 revolutions or every 5 revolutions - reversing 2x10, 2x9, 2x8... down to 2x2 - this gets increasingly more difficult Going up over head - catching the hoop behind me and getting it up over my head - then losing it - catching the hoop from in front and up over my head - then losing it - learning to not do this in the living room, or while wearing my glasses Spring is on the way and the overhead moves will then be more easily practiced outside. In the meantime I'll include and practice the other things mentioned on this thread. Thank you all very much for your generosity and helpfulness. : ) Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:09:13 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#e24a89d9-4446-4fd9-9b5b-59f3c392c522 johnlvs2run 2007-02-28T03:09:13Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#ef6c95d0-1a12-4bee-ae25-35f5b9708196 Hey ter-'i', I think what you're looking for as far as moving the hoop up and down the body with just your hands is "Beam Me Up." There are a few good tutorials on it on this tribe and on YouTube. Good luck! peakRrr Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:53:17 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#ef6c95d0-1a12-4bee-ae25-35f5b9708196 peakRrr 2007-02-27T19:53:17Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#f752f5ca-065c-4621-a05b-113486cf5238 Passing around your body (which is inside the hoop) with your hands (not using the body at all), my version: Step into the hoop, hold it behind your back with both hands, thumbs touching. (its okay if the front edge of the hoop drops while you first practice this move) Let go with one hand, and use the other hand to rotate that one Point of contact in front of you - I call this the "awkward" position because it isn't particularly comfy: elbow high, wrist rotated so that your knuckles are facing your belly, and your pinky is ready to meet the pinky of the other hand (also in "awkward" position).. and that other hand now takes over the Point of contact, and rotates it behind your back. So, thumbs meet behind your back, pinkies meet in front of you, one hand grips the hoop to bring the point of contact from behind to infront, the other hand grips it to complete the trip from in front to behind. Alternate, body-NOT-inside-the-hoop version (I call this off-body passing) switches the grip position: thumbs together in front, pinkies together behind... or do whatever feels comfortable to you :) Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:06:09 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#f752f5ca-065c-4621-a05b-113486cf5238 Xta 2007-02-27T10:06:09Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#3de4dc7a-ba77-4342-b1ca-ab2a21298f68 Hey there....I've been looking around the tribe for talks on that very maneuver....passing the hoop up and down the body with just the hands, and spinning it around the body in general with just the hands (aka not using the body at all). I'm gonna keep looking....I've been looking thru the "Collections" threads and haven't seen it. Maybe it's in the compendium? I'm guessing it's just about wearing gloves to keep from bruising my wristbones until I "get" it, but argh....this is one move I just can't seem to get. Off I go to look some more..... oxo Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:30:18 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#3de4dc7a-ba77-4342-b1ca-ab2a21298f68 ter'i 2007-02-26T22:30:18Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#ad51b133-f0aa-4d74-9adf-ee7479107dd4 thanks for all your help! definitely lots to search in the archive. i'm sure all my questions have been answered elsewhere on here! a. Thu, 25 May 2006 22:59:16 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#ad51b133-f0aa-4d74-9adf-ee7479107dd4 amy 2006-05-25T22:59:16Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#32d62630-eb69-4e1e-8ce1-2cd030dcb038 Turning with the hoop can also be done with rocking steps... when you are stationary, pay attention to the timing as you rock forward with your hip or belly.. then plant your left foot (for counterclockwise hooping) and take a baby step with your right each time you would be rocking forward... you'll pivot around in a circle, and can match the beat. If the music is slow, you might have to take GIANT steps around (like 12, 9, 6, and 3 oclock) to keep the momentum going as you turn... The stall turn can also be done just partway around, then resuming your rocking motion.. don't get quite so dizzy that way :) Chest and shoulders are easier (like just about everything) if you keep turning with the hoop as you practice... search this tribe for the thread that discusses shoulder hooping, lots of good tips there! X. Thu, 25 May 2006 19:23:11 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#32d62630-eb69-4e1e-8ce1-2cd030dcb038 Xta 2006-05-25T19:23:11Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#e22794b9-9b06-4436-b084-d8c5181c5a2a WOW! spinning the hoop the opposite direction than i'm used to is pretty hard! i really like turning into the hoop. it does help it work it up my body! but how to i keep it around my chest/shoulders??? Thu, 25 May 2006 19:16:50 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#e22794b9-9b06-4436-b084-d8c5181c5a2a amy 2006-05-25T19:16:50Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#dcf13eda-d877-4da7-814e-68f3d23daad7 First, every time you drop the hoop, spin it the other way the next time. And if you're already clearly "handed," practice a whole song or more in the other direction. I call it stalling when I turn in the same direction as the hoop and slow its effective rotation. I don't find it pleasant to turn so fast the hoop "stops" altogether, because my footing is insecure and I get too dizzy. For kicks, try turning the other way, too. Makes the hoop go faster, and it will easily drop down your body. Thu, 25 May 2006 19:01:13 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#dcf13eda-d877-4da7-814e-68f3d23daad7 Karen 2006-05-25T19:01:13Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#ac01d673-4a20-4001-b5e0-749ac95bb7ac i've been utilizing all these awesome tips and it's really helping! so if i can get my arms in and out w/o it dropping, how do i start working it up my body? and when you say spin in the same direction as the hoop, do you mean slowly turn and try and keep the hoop up, or spin fast so it's standing still and then when you stop spinning the hoop starts moving around your waist again? Thu, 25 May 2006 18:21:04 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#ac01d673-4a20-4001-b5e0-749ac95bb7ac amy 2006-05-25T18:21:04Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#da552dd5-87e7-4c35-92e1-447b01f15322 That makes a lot of sense Chris. Basically the hand dips will seem to help with timing (watches whirls & clicks go through his brain) of so many things! They say timing is everything :D That is an outstanding description of why/theory for it, exactly what I needed. Great extra tips too. I love inspiration to say random nice things!!!! I love doing that too! Thanks so much! Sat, 20 May 2006 16:42:24 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#da552dd5-87e7-4c35-92e1-447b01f15322 Jeffz 2006-05-20T16:42:24Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#24476449-f8e0-4a6c-bba4-79c200a20362 Jeff, I love that you love hooping so much! I don't know why, but I felt inspired to tell you that this morning. Now, back to hooping tips. For me, the hand dips were very helpful because my body became very in tune to where the "opening" of the hoop was (which is pretty much key to all tricks). Also, even though it feels like a "nothing" move, if you consecutively dip your right hand, left hand, right, left, in a continuous motion on the inside of the hoop, it looks like the hoop is not touching your body. Also, the more you can move and walk around while hooping (at your waist to start with) will help....you can then hoop and move as fast or slow as the music is. Oh, another thing that was very helpful to me was to work on moving the hoop as fast as possible, and then as slow as possible. It's all about control! :) --Chris Sat, 20 May 2006 16:28:27 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#24476449-f8e0-4a6c-bba4-79c200a20362 Chris 2006-05-20T16:28:27Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#3cdb167c-2a8a-4e36-9e73-f7087580207c Cool, those are actually the first things I did except for the hand dip thing. Some other thing to focus on, thanks so much for taking the time for the great tools to work on! I need to rewatch Diana's video too I think will help. I think it just makes more sense now that I have been doing it a few months so this is very helpful, thank you. Sat, 20 May 2006 15:58:18 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#3cdb167c-2a8a-4e36-9e73-f7087580207c Jeffz 2006-05-20T15:58:18Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#d946e988-6da0-4d17-9731-da7b6acab617 Good info, need to learn the moving the hoop around my body with the hands thing. I move it with my body currently. Thank you both of you! Helping me to make my checklist for the foundations now that i have the start - the logical mind is moving in to analyze and improve. Sat, 20 May 2006 15:56:04 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#d946e988-6da0-4d17-9731-da7b6acab617 Jeffz 2006-05-20T15:56:04Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#af46d2eb-0acb-4b87-9984-43ad802eacd2 I also consider "stalling" to include when your hand has GRIPPED the hoop, so the hoop is no longer spinning but the movement of your arm keeps the momentum of the hoop's motion going (most lifts and drops are stalls, in the language I use...) Hand hooping and passing the hoop around my body with different grip positions are fairly basic things in my hoop classes :) X. Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:17 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#af46d2eb-0acb-4b87-9984-43ad802eacd2 Xta 2006-05-20T14:22:17Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#15747376-330c-436f-ad8c-eba7b4b1017b Hi Jeff, One basic move is to spin in the same direction as your hoop is going in. If you spin at the same rate as the hoop is moving, it will be "stalled" in that place. Another one that I think helps you to connect with the empty space of the hoop is to "dip" your hands into the empty spaces the hoop makes, whether it's inside the circle or outside of it. Then, spin yourself in the same direction as the hoop and try the hand dips again. You'll find you can keep your hands in the spaces longer. To take it one step further, do it with your eyes shut. I can spend a lot of time just dancing/hooping to my favorite music with just those moves. Then, after you've mastered all of that, do it on a balance beam. :)~ Let me know if this helps, or if you're looking for more! Happy hooping, Chris Sat, 20 May 2006 08:32:20 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#15747376-330c-436f-ad8c-eba7b4b1017b Chris 2006-05-20T08:32:20Z http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#9359e7c3-d884-40a1-a297-5b1c69c64121 What kind of moves do you consider the basic building blocks that other things are based off of. I am starting to get when I learn one thing I can learn something else really easy. Is there a map? lol. What keyed this off is one of the path people mentioning "stalling" as integral and I have absolutely no idea what that is. I have a hard time learning from people (starting to be able to a little) so have been going total instinctive and when my hoop feels like going somewhere I learn something new, but think some good old fashion knowledge would be good too, especially for the basics. Kinda like martial arts with knowing the basics then building off those - I think. Sat, 20 May 2006 08:02:11 GMT http://hooping.tribe.net/thread/937d6557-6346-4286-9df4-e087765acb3e#9359e7c3-d884-40a1-a297-5b1c69c64121 Jeffz 2006-05-20T08:02:11Z