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Best Tape...

topic posted Sat, October 7, 2006 - 2:25 PM by  Kat
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...for effects? (glow, blacklights, etc)

...for grip?

...just plain pretty?

And aside from identitape.com, where to find it? What breaks the bank but is worth it? Whats cheap but decorates well and lasts? Anything else special you do?

Making my first hoop and looking for ideas. Thanks!
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  • Re: Best Tape...

    Sun, October 8, 2006 - 12:13 AM
    gaffer tape... i guess

    it is blacklight reactive

    has good grip

    and comes in lots of bright bold and fluorescent colors

    sold online at identi-tape
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      Sun, October 8, 2006 - 4:44 PM
      heh. I expected more responses than this. Does anyone actually make hoops?
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        Sun, October 8, 2006 - 7:45 PM
        I use sparkle tape (from identi-tape) for my 'clubbing hoop'. I use electrical for my small hoops. I plan to but some gaffer tape soon.
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          Sun, October 8, 2006 - 7:53 PM
          identi-tape is a good resource for all different types of tape. I like the variety of colors and the grip of electrical tape and find that the glitter/sparkle tapes are very eye catching, just a little more slipperey.
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            Sun, October 8, 2006 - 8:27 PM
            I find electrical tape is easiest to work with, provides a bit of additional padding and is a cost effective choice. It also cleans pretty easily. However, it is slippery. In rain and on certain fabrics, it can be hard to hoop with.

            I find gaffers tape grips well and I love that light reflective colors of it -- especially the day glow colors of pink, yellow and lime green. However, it gets dirty easily. It is not ideal for this North Carolina red clay that's for sure.

            I find metallic and glitter tapes look great but they tear easily and they're expensive. I have to reinforce the edges to try to keep this kind of tape looking pretty ... but then I'm rough on my toys.

            My hoops generally utilize some or all of these kinds of tapes on a single hoop. I think the differences in them make for better looking hoops and also for better hooping.

            Here's what I know doesn't work: Duct tape (It's impossible to work with - so sticky and it comes up on the edges), painting the hoop (it doesn't cling and, instead, flakes off on your clothes) and Medical tape (it tears too easily).

            I am considering trying to make a hoop covered in leather. I think that might grip, look nice and clean well, but I've never worked with leather so right now this is all theoretical.
            • Ron
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              Sun, October 8, 2006 - 9:28 PM
              I just made my first hoop about 2 hours ago, and just got done with my first hoop session (just walking forward & backwards per Diane's DVD).

              So, here's a total newbie's take.

              I used electrical tape because I already had it in the house. First I tried to hoop with no tape, but it wouldn't stay up. With the electrical tape things improved, but still a little slip-ery against my polyester shirt. I'm going to experiment a bit when the stores reopen Monday by adding some cloth tape (depending on what I can find at Home Depot or a sporting goods shop).

              Because my house is too "small" for me to hoop with my 14.5 footer (gee - did I make this too BIG? - I measured up to my nipple when making this per the instructions - I'm 6'4"), I went outside to hoop on my concrete back porch. The electrical tape got pretty scuffed up in a single session from drops. I'm sure glad I didn't spend a fortune on the fancy tape. I suppose fancy tape makes sense once I get the hang of things & go out in public, but for a total beginner, I'll stick with the cheaper stuff for now.
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                Tue, October 10, 2006 - 10:05 AM
                Try hooping shirtless. You're skin has better grip then you're clothes will. What DVD is this?
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                  Tue, October 10, 2006 - 11:09 AM
                  I think he is talking about Hoop Dance Fusion by Diana of Bodyhoops.

                  I agree that the more skin you have touching the hoop, the better. In lieu of naked hooping, I love gaffers tape. No matter what kind of design I put on the hoop, I always make sure that there is at least one stripe of gaffers tape to give it some weight and grip. It does get dirtier than the vinyl or sparkly tapes, but it also doesn't scrape off as easily as the vinyl and sparkly tapes if you drop the hoop on cement.

                  As mentioned by other people, Identi-tape is a great resource because it has such a wide variety of tape types (gaffer, vinyl, glitter) as well as a good selection of colors. I've found other companies here or there who have some colors not offered by Identi-tape, but it was usually only a few varieties, i.e. they had two glitter colors not offered by Identi-tape but they didn't have gaffers tape. Because of that, I tend to order order from Identi-tape since I can order everything at once, pay shipping once, and order a large enough quantity to get their 15-20% discount.
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                    Wed, October 11, 2006 - 7:37 PM
                    Yep .. I got that DVD ... I think it's really good (& I've seen a lot of fitness-type videos).

                    As a newbie on day 3 or 4, I was wondering about the "ideal clothing" issue. I've been wearing my polyester fitness shirts, but they lack grip. I noticed in Diana's video that the woman had the hoops against bare skin. I just finished my short hooping session tonight, but will try it with bare skin next time.
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                      Thu, October 12, 2006 - 12:23 AM
                      Slippy clothes bad, sticky skin good :)

                      Another hoop-covering option is bicycle tubing... Dave on the Vancouver Hoopers tribe (don't know if he pays attention here) made a couple hoops with it - one with the full tubing rolled on, the other with the tubing sliced into strips and wrapped on like a colour accent. BOTH rock, though the one with the full-tubing coverage is my fave for getting things like hooping-on-one-knee-stall-with-other-foot-and-reverse-direction! Haven't used anything else that comes remotely close to its grip.

                      X.
              • Re: Best Tape...

                Thu, April 7, 2011 - 11:29 AM
                Answering the "too big" question, I've always heard that your hoop (on average for a "normal" hoop that isn't too big and too small) should measure up to your belly button when standing and when the completed hoop is on the ground. For me that gives it a circumference of about 13 feet around.
            • Re: Best Tape...

              Sun, October 8, 2006 - 9:31 PM
              Secret of sparkle tape longevity: cover it with a layer of clear hockey tape! Lasts for a year, instead of a day (okay, outside rim can get somewhat chewed, but doesn't tear like uncovered sparkle tape does...)

              Check the other Tape threads <hint hint, that search function works really well!) to find a link to McCormicks for cheaper sparkle tape options, and check your local dollar stores for interesting colours of electrical tape.. if you live in a movie-making location (like Vancouver BC) you can check out the companies that supply "expendales" to the industry, which will include gaffer tape, electrical tape, and duct tape in interesting colours and narrower widths than the regular stuff.

              X.
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                Sun, October 8, 2006 - 9:35 PM
                Xta that's brilliant about covering the sparkle tape with clear hockey tape. Sheer brilliance. Pardon the pun/oxymoron.
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                  Sun, October 8, 2006 - 9:46 PM
                  LOL, no, that's funny :) Oh, and other tip: background colour, then sparkle, then hockey, then a border colour (either matching the background or contract OR dayglo gaff) to just cover the edge of the sparkle/hockey, because they're usually the same width so the edges are still kinda bare and tearable.


                  Ron - if you find your hoop feels too slow, bring it down a couple feet - that measure-by-height generally doesn't work quite well for tall folks :) If you are also on the XXL or larger side, it might be perfect, but otherwise smaller will probably do quite well!

                  It isn't the tape that is fragile, but the concrete is BRUTAL! If you were hooping and dropping over grass, your electrical tape would hold up.. but practice where you will :) My main space was always on a concrete pool deck, and my hoops got chewed up (particularly if you're doing the backspinning-on-the-ground thing, truly a no-no on concrete if you don't want to retape all the time)

                  And yes, don't bother doing a sparkle tape quite this early :) I spent a couple hours on a hoop, using prism gift wrap ribbon covered with clear tape, and it got chewed within about a month... but then again, I DID really like having the sparkles :)

                  X.
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                    Mon, October 9, 2006 - 5:37 AM
                    So, is it possible, then, to re-tape a hoop that is getting tore up? I have a beautiful one from Caroleena, but the tape is getting choppy and starting to come up and poke at me...
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                      Mon, October 9, 2006 - 7:32 AM
                      Yes, it's easier to retape (I think so anyway) than to originally tape. It also makes your hoop a bit more padded. My favorite hoops tend to have a few layers and they're so much grippier! If you need help, I'm happy to help you!
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                        Mon, October 9, 2006 - 9:53 AM
                        My most favorite hoop in the world is getting tore up too and as much as it pains me may need a new skin as well. Do you just tape over the old tape? Doesn't it get all bumpy from the holes in the old tape?

                        Am I the only person that is sad when they have to consider retaping? :)
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                          Mon, October 9, 2006 - 10:02 AM
                          I was sad too at first. Then I taped up my old hoop and made it look brand new and I was happy all over again! It'll feel good. You'll see.

                          For the most part, I just try to smooth out the old and tape over, then it's less lumpy. For places where it's really messed up, though, you might have to pull off some tape or use an exacto blade to trim it.

                          Wait'll you see how pretty your hoop looks when you're done and how proud you are of yourself for doing it. It'll make your day.
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                          Mon, October 9, 2006 - 10:56 AM
                          I always strip all the old tape off rather than taping over it. I get a little sad to loose it, but when i re-tape, I usually do it completely different, so it's like having a new hoop. It refreshed the energy, and I get a chance to make it better. I have oodles of hoops all over my house, so there's always a work in progress. I'm always searching for the perfect tape/hoop decorating combination.
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                    Re: Best Tape...

                    Mon, October 9, 2006 - 9:26 AM
                    hey X -

                    The hoop surgery went well. I took her down from 14.5' to an even 12'. This belly button height is *much* better (yes - I'm tall, but skinny).

                    thanks!
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                      Mon, October 9, 2006 - 10:03 AM
                      I'm excited to follow your saga of hoop making/ hoop learning. I don't think I've ever met anyone who made their own hoop before they even started hooping. I think that's cool.
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                        Mon, October 9, 2006 - 10:42 AM
                        Me! Me! I made my own hoops to learn hooping! :) From watching Ariel's Living Room Hooping video, to three days later going out and buying 100ft of 1" tubing and making a bellybuttong height, then a nipple height, then a midway hoop that was Juuuuust right!

                        Ron, glad it worked for you! Do keep sharing your story! (maybe a video diary too? <grin>)

                        X.
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                          Mon, October 9, 2006 - 10:55 AM
                          I heart gaffer's tape the most. Especially 1" thickness. Sparkly tapes are pretty too - if I do a sparkle or holograph tape, though, you should lay it down first, and then overlap the edges with either gaff tape or electrical tape.

                          making them before learning: me, too, actually.

                          learned how to make them from jasonunbound's website. learned how to use them by playing with them. learned how to decorate them by trial and error.

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                            Mon, October 9, 2006 - 10:58 AM
                            Me too about the decorating thing. Talk about trial and error!!! I do not dig decorating hoops. It makes me swear and it takes forever. So frustrating. I can do it now and I have materials but, generally, I put it off until my old hoops are just beat to hell.
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                              Mon, October 9, 2006 - 11:22 AM
                              actually, at this point, I love doing it. I find it soothing - and I especially like thinking about a specific person and what colors they are going to love. but it *is* frustrating when you start.

                              tips:
                              * don't pull more than about 3 inches off the roll when laying it down - this lets it get kinky, bent, stretched.
                              * when laying the first layer of tape, try to keep the distance between stripes consistent - you may need to slightly adjust as you're working - but it'll look better in the end. Once the first layer is down, you can follow that line for laying down the rest of the tape.
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                          Mon, October 9, 2006 - 1:38 PM
                          "going out and buying 100ft of 1" tubing "

                          This is another question. This hoop is for me to practice with (I can join the ranks of making a hoop before learning) and everything I've read so far says irregation hose at 3/4" is best. Is it? What other tubing can you use, and how much difference can that quarter of an inch make either way? (1/2" or 1")
                          • Ron
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                            Mon, October 9, 2006 - 2:52 PM
                            Gee - sorry I got this a little off topic re: new hooping, BUT I got 100' of 3/4" 160 psi at Lowes ($26). From what I read here, 1" at 100 psi would work too. FYI - on my 3/4" 160 psi, the 3/4" inch refers to the inside diameter (it's actually 1" on the outside).

                            If anyone would like to start a new hoopers topic, we could continue there -- i.e. sourcing materials, learning videos, motivation for learning, emotional support for those trying times, and cheers for breakthroughs (:->)
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                              Mon, October 9, 2006 - 7:15 PM
                              Hey Ron.. you're allowed to start topics too :) - just don't try to do a region-specific topic in this forum, that's all...

                              (and you can use that good ole' "search" function and find previous New Hooper threads.. sorry folks, I'm in total moderator headspace at the moment, I'll stop repeating myself soon!)

                              My now-favorite tubing is 3/4" 160-200psi (local manufacturers stopped making 160 when the local regs required them to take the higher pressure rating).. but the 1" 75-100psi is a decent second - just can't multi-hoop as well with the fatter tubing since it is harder to hold two or more hoops in one hand.

                              Actually,Ron, all those topics you list are worthy of their own topic headings.. some hoopers who might not be into newbies chatting about material sourcing might still be totally into discussing motivation and learning styles... take a peek through previous topics and see what you find - you can always revive an old thread too :)

                              X.
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                              Wed, October 11, 2006 - 1:45 PM
                              "Gee - sorry I got this a little off topic re: new hooping, BUT I got 100' of 3/4" 160 psi at Lowes ($26). From what I read here, 1" at 100 psi would work too. FYI - on my 3/4" 160 psi, the 3/4" inch refers to the inside diameter (it's actually 1" on the outside).
                              If anyone would like to start a new hoopers topic, we could continue there --"

                              Since there are no leaps to start a new topic, just figured I'd reply to you, Ron. A little off thread, but not badly so.

                              Check out the link Christa gave us earlier, but check her hoop info, some of the easiest to understand I've yet seen:
                              www.christahoops.com/7.html

                              Also, copy-and-pasted from there:

                              3/4" diameter lightweight pipe makes a hoop that is easy for small bodies and hands to manage, recommended for extra small hoops intended for young children or only hand-hooping by adults

                              1" diameter lightweight pipe makes a hoop that is less bruising for beginner hoopers, and has a nice flex to it for people who just like to groove with a hoop around their waist and do minimal tricks

                              3/4" diameter heavyweight pipe makes a mid-weight hoop that combines the stiffness of heavier tubing with the handling ease of a skinnier tube to create a hoop ideal for dancers who like to do a lot of trick moves

                              1" diameter heavyweight pipe makes a hoop for adults who prefer more stiffness and resistance than the lightweight pipe, and who are less inclined to do a lot of hand hooping

                              1-1/4" diameter heavyweight pipe makes a very stiff, heavy hoop for adults doing waist-only workouts, not recommended for hand-hooping or other tricking
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                                Wed, October 11, 2006 - 4:54 PM
                                I actually used to have the PSI listed too, until I had a VERY rude phonecall from someone who spent way too much time berating me for not using the same terminology that their tubing-supplying friend used, so she was unable to tell from my site what sort of tubing she should get him to get for her to make her own...

                                Hmph. :)

                                Anyway, since I love you all and we're all utterly polite here... the "heavyweight" is 160-200psi, and the "lightweight" was 100psi. :)

                                (and y'all know what I'm talking about anyways...)

                                I'm actually in the process of rebuilding both my websites (www.christagiles.com is about to totally be redone, much less personal-esque, much more "here's all the things I teach privately, please hire me!"...) so if you wanna see the other things that I do for fun, go check it out now...)... but neat to hear that you're finding that info on www.christahoops.com helpful.. thanks for the feedback on its clarity, that makes me feel pretty good about keeping that stuff up there :) Any other comments for me about that site, while we're on this side topic?

                                X.

                                X.
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                                  Thu, October 12, 2006 - 2:52 PM
                                  "Any other comments for me about that site, while we're on this side topic?"

                                  Dont take down the cool beading stuff from one?

                                  And dont hit the camera-person with the hoop. *G*
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                                    Thu, October 12, 2006 - 10:28 PM
                                    Heh, I don't *think* I actually hit him with the hoop... he just had to jump away ;) I seem to remember that I put him in at the end of my hooping.org film festival video, a little cameo roll-on :)

                                    And I think the beading stuff will be much more condensed... and will hopefully become a place where beads have prices and the means for people to connect with me to exchange lovely lucre for packages of beads... ah, the joys of trying to pay rent through a variety of self-employed ways!

                                    Back on the topic of tape, though, did anyone mention buying cheap sparkly gift wrap ribbon, and covering it with clear hockey tape for protection? Or using that super bright safety reflective tape you can get for your bike or vehicle or other stuff you want to sparkle when headlights hit 'em? They can look cool if you've got darkness with a single strong light source coming from behind the viewers..

                                    X.
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                          Tue, October 10, 2006 - 6:56 AM
                          Me too!!
                          I was too shy to ask anyone I ever saw if I could try out a hoop, and so the first hoop I ever made was also the first one I ever tried. I proceeded to make the entire 100 feet into varying sizes over a long weekend. I still have some of that first roll!

                          Ron, welcome to hooping!
                          Brook
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                        Tue, October 10, 2006 - 2:03 PM
                        Hee hee, Caroleeena, I made hoops for about 2 years before I started seriously hooping! I'm an artist/creative type (aren't we all) but not particularly coordinated, so the idea of making the hoop was, initially, more of a draw for me than the hooping itself. I just took what I made with me to festivals, etc., and would gift them to see the bliss on others' faces, usually newbies to the hoop.

                        As far as tape goes, I almost always put sparkle (the fun stuff), electrical (the filler and mistake-hider) and fluorescent gaff/spike (the blacklight fun and texture provider) tapes on my hoops. I put the sparkle on first, as it is less stretchy and flexible than the other kinds, and as long as you are careful about your stripe spacing and keep rubbing your thumb along the tape where you put it on the hoop as you peel the backing off, ironing our bubbles and the like, it will provide the most accurate guide for the other tape. As previous posts mentioned, I put the gaff and electrical tape over the edges of the sparkle to keep it from tearing as much as possible. I also frequently use duct tape underneath to give the hoop more weight. I get most of my tape at identi-tape, and Home Depot for the industrial types.

                        Unique tape experience: I have experimented with some of Identi-tape's paper and map tapes, but find that, although the texture is good, they are not so waterproof, and <ahem> body sweat makes them bleed color and lose their tackiness. I just got a roll of 2" wide pirate tape with skull and crossbones at the costume shop that I'm waiting to try out! I've also used caution tape with the black and yellow stripes. I tried wrapping hoops in clear packing tape but it tore easily during application and was hard to get wrinkle-free. I have some aluminum tape that I'm almost afraid to try, I feel it might slice me up!

                        I've also made fabric sleeves for hoops. Although they looked cool, they turned out to be more work than I thought they would be, and didn't actually hoop quite up to my liking. They got dirty really fast, too.

                        This got loooong! Sorry!

                        Good luck and keep us up-to-date with how it goes!

                        - peakRrr
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                Mon, October 9, 2006 - 1:33 PM
                "Check the other Tape threads <hint hint, that search function works really well!)"

                *LOL!!* You caught me. I used the search function, and came up with *pages* on tape. Some had a little of what I was looking for (someone said they use grip-tape of the type used on tennis raquets and the like, which I think is a realy cool idea) but none seemed to be just for discussing tapes, and after a couple of pages my eyes glazed and my research genes--underdeveloped as they are--were screaming in pain. I figured it would be simpler and more efficient just to ask. :)

                Also, I read something about masking tape as used on poi staff and as grip-tape in general. Is it just me that sees this as a shitty idea, or is there something about masking tape I dont know?
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                  Mon, October 9, 2006 - 7:17 PM
                  Masking tape??? Uh, guh... not in my experience, though gaff tape has a similar, if thicker, texture.

                  My original three hoops all had base layers of duct tape scrunched on underneath the decorative electrical tape I used, so that provided a fair bit of texture.. my current hoops are all just electrical (fancy performance ones get gaff too), but they're sometimes slippy with the wrong clothes.

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                    Tue, October 10, 2006 - 9:26 AM
                    Surprised that no one mentioned Hockey Tape. can usually get 10 rolls for $20 on ebay and it lasts forever, grips like crazy and is great for newbies since it can take a big beating. It goes on hoops like a dream too. I like the way it looks, more rugged.
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                      Tue, October 10, 2006 - 12:09 PM
                      I've been wondering about hockey tape but I didn't know where to find it. Thanks Jeff. I've also been wondering about that tape that I used to wrap the handle bars of my bike with when I was a kid. That was grippy too and seemed like it would work well.
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                        Tue, October 10, 2006 - 2:42 PM
                        I got some hockey tape but was put off by it when i wrapped the springs on my stilts with it and it was totally covered in carpet fuzz by the time i was done... i feel like because of the super grippiness it gets dirtier faster than gaff tape - although a little easier to work with since it's stretchy :)

                        I usually use a combination of electical/gaff/glitter tapes. Putting clear hockey tape over at least the edges of the glitter tape so it doesn't peel. I found Jireh supplies (online) to be the cheapest place for Gaff tape (they carry 1/2" 1" and 2").
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                        Wed, October 11, 2006 - 12:35 AM
                        I was thinking about the handlebar tape too, but the current stuff available seems to be:

                        a: far too expensive for our needs as hoopers

                        b: removes too easily to really ::stick:: to the hoop (this was just an observation from watching people wrap their handlebars, so i could be wrong)

                        My hoops share a room with many bikes and an experienced bike mechanic...
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                Wed, January 10, 2007 - 5:02 PM
                where does one find Hockey tape?? at Dick's sporting goods, or the like??
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                  Wed, January 10, 2007 - 10:40 PM
                  They have it at sporting goods but I always order it off ebay since I cannot find lots of colors around here. Think last order I split with Betsy and we got 20 rolls for $40, you can get lesser amounts too. I still like it lots :D
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                    Thu, January 11, 2007 - 12:52 AM
                    Jeffz, do you have a specific dealer on eBay that you use? (and a link to share with us? :)

                    And, nice usage of thread bumping, Rachel! (if you're reading the Moderation thread, you'll understand why I'm cheering!)

                    X.
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    Tue, April 24, 2007 - 10:51 AM
    By the by, I use pearl art store. They are located in some major metopolitan areas. They carry gaffer's tape. They also carry a glow in the dark tape. It's not very strong, but when you turn out your lights you'll notice your hoop glowing. It's only really good in dark situations or under blacklight. Underblack light the glow in the dark tape is INTENSE. It is thick and will add weight though.
    I resorted to the glow int he dark tape when i realize, Yes the flouresecent gaffer's is blacklight reactive, but the White gaffers is totally NOT blacklight reactive.
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      Mon, January 12, 2009 - 12:15 PM
      i get all my tape at identitape...
      but i am looking for a sheen, pearlescent kinda tape...does anyone have any sites where i might get some...
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        Tue, January 13, 2009 - 9:22 AM
        I bought some beautiful white pearly stuff from an eBay seller called Paper Street Plastics a couple of months ago. It goes on just like the sparkle tapes.

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