knee hooping

topic posted Fri, September 23, 2005 - 11:00 AM by  Michelle
does anyone have a trick for getting the hoop back up to your hips from your knees? I can get the hoop down to my knees and keep it there for a while, but when I try to bring it back up to my hips it just gets faster and faster until my poor knees are black and blue! any tips?

thanks!

M~
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Michelle
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  • Re: knee hooping

    Fri, September 23, 2005 - 11:12 AM
    flick one knee up and keep flicking it up and lean forward on that knee and lift. sorry if this doesnt make sense...... maybe someone else is better with words/..... =(
  • Re: knee hooping

    Fri, September 23, 2005 - 11:30 AM
    I got it once, then promptly lost it. I was at the beach, hooping it up and *finally* got the knee hooping thing after beating the tops of my feet for a good half hour trying. I found that I just used my butt a little, somehow bumping it upward (or pumping? weird) and it went back up no problemo. Kinda like a little bounce action and up it went. Anyway, it seems I can only knee hoop in my bathing suit. With clothes the hoop just drops to the ground. So, I'm basically no help at all, but that's my $.02.
    • Re: knee hooping

      Fri, September 23, 2005 - 11:38 AM
      "Anyway, it seems I can only knee hoop in my bathing suit. With clothes the hoop just drops to the ground."

      this is hilarious! :)
      • Re: knee hooping

        Fri, September 23, 2005 - 12:03 PM
        it's true! slippery pants/tights are the death of knee hooping. either wear natural fabrics or bare skin, and that should help a LOT.

        i just sort of "lift" the hoop with my knee (if you hoop clockwise, like me, that would be your right knee; if you hoop counterclockwise, that would be your left knee). another thing to work on is consciously slowing the hoop down when it starts going really fast. that's perhaps step #1 before trying to lift it up.

        good luck!
      • Re: knee hooping

        Fri, September 23, 2005 - 12:07 PM
        I had this problem.. I would be hooping wearing shorts, but I could only get the hoop to climb back up to my waist if I hiked the shorts up so the hoop would be in skin contact :)

        The advice that initially worked for me was "stick your ass out and shake it like Elvis..."... I envision my hips having a yard stick taped across them, and then try to shift my hips up and down so the stick alternates 45 degrees up and down on each side.. helps the hoop to climb :) Lots of laughter and self-patience is always good, too :)


        There was a thread about this a couple months ago... search the tribe for it (Sorry, I suck at making links)

        X.
        • Re: knee hooping

          Fri, September 23, 2005 - 1:31 PM
          This is all great advice! Also, be sure to keep your feet AND kness about hip width apart when hooping on your knees. You are probably finding yourself with your knees stuck together and the hoop racing around like a wild thing right? When you seperate your legs a bit and try to use your legs independently from eachother it gives you more control and makes the whole oneleg lift thing MUCH easier! Ultimately you want to knee hoop useing both legs alternately in a sort of stepping motion so that you can dance with the hoop on your knees instead of just being stuck in one spot!

          hoop this helps~ Anah
          • Re: knee hooping

            Fri, September 23, 2005 - 1:53 PM
            "You are probably finding yourself with your knees stuck together and the hoop racing around like a wild thing right?"

            yep, that's it exactly. :)

            keeping my knees hip width apart sounds like it will help alot - logically i thought i would have to lift one leg and shimmy a bit to get the hoop to rise but the hoop was going so fast I couldn't feel when the right moment was to lift my knee.

            thanks for all the advice, i'll let you know how it goes tomorrow...
            • Re: knee hooping

              Fri, September 23, 2005 - 2:28 PM
              hi there! lots of writing today. Wow, I actually don't keep my knees always apart while thigh hooping -- never have. For my body, it is a process of bringing legs together then apart.

              Keeping in mind I hoop to the left for this description:

              What works for me just to keep the hoop going is actually having my right leg somewhat stationary and having my left foot actually on toe. I pivot my left leg on my left toe so my knee swings out far to the left and back to meet my right knee, swooping my left thigh away from and back together to touch my right thigh. So the whole thing that moves the hoop is pushing with the little bit of flesh above my left knee as I pivot on my left toe and push out diagonally to the left. Turning helps me keep it up, so I almost always keep turning while hooping on legs to slow things down.

              For recovery back to hips I either: bump up with left thigh or flesh above left knee as described in earlier posts, squat lower while hooping and "wiggle" it up, or simply use my hands in the same fashion as a lift up but just place on my hips instead of lifting overhead.

              I'm fascinated to go outside and try the thigh and knee apart method...
            • Re: knee hooping

              Fri, September 23, 2005 - 2:35 PM
              when I teach knee hooping, one of my favorite things to tell people is "tip toe through the forest" Don't ask me why, but I feel like if you get comfortable moving around while knee hooping, like Anah said, you are actually using the legs independently, so basically it's just tiny baby steps making the hoop go around at all--you can do this v..e..r..y...s..lo..w..l..y once you get comfortable this way, then when I want to get it back up, I almost imperceptably sidestep with my right leg (for counterclockwise hooping) and kind of just nudge the hoop back up. ( Think back to when you were first learning how to get the hoop from your waist to your neck using your arms )
              • Re: knee hooping

                Fri, September 23, 2005 - 5:10 PM
                Wow, lots of great suggestions!

                Here's my addition...so you want to get the hoop from your knees to your hips. Try these:

                -Turn your feet outward and separate your knees
                -Wiggle your hips side to side (they're connected to the legs)
                -Shimmy your legs, one upward then the next. repeat.
                -Raise one knee to 'bump" the hoop up
                -Speed up the rotation, (when the hoop goes above knee level)
                -Hoop naked or at least take your pants off, skin grips the hoop
                -Watch other people do it (but remember everyone's body moves differently)
                -Take a break and try again later, but keep trying!

                Good luck, it took me a lot of trying and bruising to finally get the motion, be patient
                • Re: knee hooping

                  Sun, September 25, 2005 - 11:15 AM
                  I'm just glad I'm not crazy about my skin theory. The grippage...that's what I thought!! I was knee hooping in jeans last night, but I sure couldn't bring it up in 'em. Back to the bathing suit...
  • Re: knee hooping

    Sun, September 25, 2005 - 7:35 PM
    tuck the butt.

    if i'm bent foward or my rear is sticking out much, it wo't come up on me... granted i'm very very round so it's like trying to hoop around a ball without it sliding off (you tube shaped girls got it made...) but i find that if i tuck my butt in it will come up easier.
    • Re: knee hooping

      Mon, September 26, 2005 - 3:14 AM
      bah - tried again yesterday and still not much improvement. I think I might actually have to try this while wearing shorts in order to get the feel first.

      thanks for all the suggestions.. :)
      • Re: knee hooping

        Mon, September 26, 2005 - 3:57 AM
        Use your hands.

        Bless the posters above, and bless all you sub-25 hoopers with slim hips and straight thighs (I've seen your video, Anah, no arguement). But my feet have to be WAY past my shoulders before I can get a straight line from my knees to my hips. Let's just say, "built for comfort, not speed...?"

        SO: I tried all those suggestions for a reasonable amount of time, and got no where. I'm asking the hoop to go from a narrow little rotation to quite a bigger one, and that's hard.

        I was practicing hand hooping one day with a bigger-than-normal hoop and suddenly realized I could reach down and simply lift the hoop off my knees into rotation around my hips, and a whole new world opened up. Maybe one day I'll learn to "chi" the hoop back up from my knees, but at least with a hand-lift, I'm not stuck if or once the hoop falls to my knees--sometimes deliberate, sometimes accidental. I can get it back on my body and keep going.

        I've also noted the difference between skin and fabric and cotton doesn't help me any. Getting to be a bit past time to hoop in a bathing suit around here.

        A hand lift has opened up a whole 18" of space on my body to play with. Suspect I'll get the chi in time, now that my brain doesn't fall into the trap of thinking, "Oh heck, blew this sequence wonder how long I can keep it going on my knees before I have to let it drop this time?" every time I'm below my hips.
    • Re: knee hooping

      Mon, September 26, 2005 - 10:39 AM
      Yes yes yes! I forgot to add:

      - LOOK UP! if you're looking down your body is bent over and the hoop goes down. If you're looking up your body is straight and more aligned. I know it's tempting to look at the hoop, but it's not your eyes that you're hooping with. Use the Force...
      • Re: knee hooping

        Tue, September 27, 2005 - 3:13 AM
        of course... this makes perfect sense.

        i went sea kayaking once, and the instructor noticed that my path was kind of crooked - i would paddle on one side for a while, until i was pointed a ways away from where i wanted to be going, then i'd switch sides. he paddled up to me and said, "you don't need to keep looking at your paddle - look at where you want to go!"

        it's a great metaphor for life, really.
        • Re: knee hooping

          Tue, September 27, 2005 - 7:58 AM
          i also find it easier to think of it as thigh hooping instead of knee hooping. once it gets to the bend of the knees, it gets dodgy for me, too. (i'm a tube turning into the post-25 rounder girl!) if i can maintain it on my thighs - sometimes even just below the butt is a sexy place - it's much easier to "wiggle like elvis" right back up. even if i have to dip (kind of a perfectly vertical squat) a teeny bit to do it.

          i also do the anah thing of one leg at a time. i learned by keeping one leg almost straight and stationary, using the front of the thigh to push forward on the hoop. the other leg, which is on the toe, uses the back of the thigh to pull it back. (really a push, but i want to get the directional opposites idea across) from this you can learn to get the hoop back up by really exaggerating these movements.

          get familiar with one side, then try and switch which leg is pushing/pulling. this helps with learning how to walk around while thigh hooping.

          all love and luck!
          • Re: knee hooping

            Thu, October 20, 2005 - 6:56 AM
            yay! I finally got it... :)

            Diana's DVD Hoop Dance Fusion has a great section on transferring the hoop down your body to hips and knees and then getting it back up again. actually *seeing* people demonstrate the knee lift really helped and I was able to figure out what worked for me - looking straight ahead and bumping my left knee outwards with a bit of shimmy.

            woop!!
            • Re: knee hooping

              Thu, October 20, 2005 - 10:42 AM
              That's sooo awesome, Michelle! yes, this was definetely one of the hardest moves for me to learn so it was important for me to show on several bodies how this could be done on the DVD...
              coolio!
              • Re: knee hooping

                Fri, October 21, 2005 - 12:21 AM
                I don't know if it has been mentioned before but here is what i did, and do...
                1. wear short shorts or a short skirt...
                2.attempt to bring the hoop down to your hips, and then back to your waist.
                3. once you've mastered that try a little lower each time.
                4. you pretty much just got to shake your ass, you feel a bit strange but it does work.

                -addie
                • Re: knee hooping

                  Sat, October 28, 2006 - 4:45 PM
                  i'm having this problem too... but despite i'm writing in english, it's very hard to me to understand tips and tricks only reading them. does anyone has a VIDEO to illustrate?

                  tks a LOT!

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                    Re: knee hooping

                    Sat, October 28, 2006 - 5:10 PM
                    Check the Hooping Videos tribe, and search for "knee hoop" on You Tube, too!

                    X.
  • Re: knee hooping

    Wed, November 1, 2006 - 9:51 AM
    The method I'm most successful with isn't mentioned here. It's to kick the hoop up with the back of your dominant foot (so I kick behind me with my right foot).

    Another method I use is a similar motion as the above but I hit the hoop in the front with my knee instead of behind me with my foot.

    The method I was first shown is to hoop 'prancing' and to just increase how high you bring your knees.
    • Re: knee hooping

      Sat, November 4, 2006 - 5:05 PM
      here's another way. I call it hokey-pokey
      If you hoop clockwise, use your right leg. CCW use your left leg.
      -With that leg, point your toe and place it on the ground shoulder width apart and slightly in front of the other foot.
      -With your toe on the ground, and your knee bendt practice twisting your leg so that your knee moves like you are doing the twist (knee pointed in, then knee pointed out) but DONT MOVE YOUR HIPS.
      -When the hoop strikes your leg, your knee should be on the inside,close to the other knee.
      -As soon as the hoop is touching that leg, throw your knee out.
      -Bring you knee back in before the comes back around, so when the hoop touches that leg your knee is again on the iside
      -Repeat several times
      Each revolution the hoop gets higher because your knee (and the hoop) is higher when your knee is pointed out. At first it may take 10 or so revolutions, keep at it and you can make it up in 2 or 3 revs. When you get high enough just tuck your butt in and you're there.

      I want to make a vid, but my camera has gone camping for the weekend. Anyways, maybe this will make sense to someone.
      • Re: knee hooping

        Sat, November 4, 2006 - 5:32 PM
        "If you hoop clockwise, use your right leg. CCW use your left leg. "
        That's totally the trick! I hoop CCW and had always tried to use my right legto kick it up... I tried it for the first time with my left leg and can do it almost everytime now!
  • Re: knee hooping

    Wed, January 17, 2007 - 4:26 PM
    YAY! Finally. I am able to knee hoop and get it back up!! That is the hard part. This video helps to demonstrate (thanks, Megz!!):

    vids.myspace.com/index.cfm
    • Re: knee hooping

      Wed, January 17, 2007 - 6:40 PM
      Good for you!!!!!!
      I'm still struggling with the knee hooping...I have a problem with keeping the hoop going more than 2 or 3(my record in the knee area) revolutions!But you just gave me hope..

      Thanks for the link!!!
      • Re: knee hooping

        Wed, January 17, 2007 - 11:22 PM
        Martine,
        Sometimes it helps to see yourself drumming the hoop with the backs and fronts of your thighs and knees. Listening to music with a high BPM can also really help. Most of the time, hooping is a lot easier the faster you go. In the case of legs and knees, speed is your friend, for sure. Experienced Hoopers tend to make it look a little easier than it is by slowing down the actions of the torso, but their knees are moving a lot faster than their waist (if their legs are together.)

        I also think you have one of the best icon photos on tribe. It's like all your posts have 'stalker repellent' sprayed all over them.

        pe*A*ce.
        • Re: knee hooping

          Thu, January 18, 2007 - 5:38 AM
          Tee hee yeah I'm getting my money's worth on that wedding gown and now use it as an online stalking preventive tool.. I'd love to post some picture of me hooping but I have yet managed to do so in that dress! :-)

          Yeah I think my problem IS speed, I'm so focused on doing the "right movement" that my legs are slowing down... and I think I'll try your trick of hooping blindfolded; I know I should look straight ahead but I can't help glancing at my knees when I hoop on my legs and that's usually when the hoop hits the floor....
          • Re: knee hooping

            Thu, January 18, 2007 - 9:47 AM
            I DID IT! I DID IT!

            And not by accident either, I intentionally moved the hoop down to my knees and got it spinning. Was able to keep it there indefinitely. Was even able to do make it work several times. I can't get it back up, but I can sort of feel the movement that I need to do, I just need to figure out how to make it work. (I still can't get the hoop over my boobs tho.)
            • Re: knee hooping

              Fri, January 19, 2007 - 10:13 AM
              Woooohooooo!!!!! My knees are in! Er, I mean I can now hoop around the knees. With legs together and apart. In both directions. I'm basically going section by section so I haven't consciously thought of moving the hoop back up - BUT! It did move up - everynow and then I tried to move around cos I didn't want to be stuck in a single spot bending and straightening my knees furiously - and sometimes when I'd move forward the hoop would bounce on my bent, forward knee and move upto the thighs!!
              Happy Hippy Hoopin!
              • Re: knee hooping

                Fri, January 19, 2007 - 10:22 AM
                Congrats to Paula and Ivy!!!
                (I still cannot do it)
                • Re: knee hooping

                  Fri, January 19, 2007 - 12:55 PM
                  I was doing it with my legs apart, I tried together and I couldn't keep it going. I have to say, after doing it for a few minutes my knee started feeling tweaked. I don't have the best knees right now so certain movements can irritate them. Hoping that this will help make them stronger.
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                    Re: knee hooping

                    Fri, January 19, 2007 - 2:04 PM
                    Best to check with a doctor.. knees aren't good to mess with! Check the amount of twist happening at your knees - the knees-together hooping is probably safest as a front-and-back motion (Sass has great videos of this), while we can do more side-to-side motion with our knees apart as the hips can take part of the stress.. but it still isn't a horribly knee-positive thing to do! (neither is the eggbeater kick, but I play waterpolo anyway!)

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