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There is an article on Hooping.org today that begins with the sentence "With the impending demise of Tribe..." Does someone have information that we don't have about this or is this mere speculation? I am getting letters from all over and, frankly, I don't know. If it is speculation, it is irresponsible journalism to say the least. Stating such a thing as fact could actually undermine Tribe, a site I love very much and a site that is much larger than just one tribe. It is a very different thing to express concern that there "may be" an impending demise of tribe and so we are creating a back up plan than to express it as fact. And if it is a fact, I'd like to know where this information comes from. Does anyone have any information about this?
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 2:14 PMI think there was a post somewhere on Tribe, by a member, asking for help in archivingsome of the material posted here to the hooping.org forums. Might be the same person. I haven't read the article.
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 2:28 PMI haven't heard anything about Tribe itself going anywhere. I just think that a lot of people are getting fed up with the constant downtime Tribe has been getting lately, so they're moving discussions elsewhere. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 2:51 PMIf that's so, say that. It doesn't say that though. "Impending demise" means that Tribe will not be existing anymore and that undermines Tribe as a whole, a site that has been essential to both hoopers and to Hooping.org. Perhaps it's just bad writing but if it makes people think that Tribe is about to not exist anymore, it undermines Tribe as a whole and that is not cool. I don't know who is responsible for that piece of writing but I know it is affecting people and it bothers me enormously. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 2:52 PMOr maybe they just mean to get rid of the Hula Hooping tribe. Xta, have you heard anything to that effect? -
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Wed, September 16, 2009 - 7:12 PMXta might know something about it because the second sentence of the articele quotes "She writes, "I had messaged Xta about my concern that if Tribe dies for good so much valuable information and suggestions will be lost."
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 3:39 PMhmm, well, it says "With the impending demise of our long time hula hooping tribe on Tribe.net," so it sounds, to me at least, that they're just talking about the hooping.org tribe. I do agree that it's bad writing though, and can definitely raise some red flags for tribe.
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 4:28 PMI think people have been heralding the demise of Tribe for about 6 years now. And while it's true that tribe's had it's issues, the "fact" of it shutting down is simply not true. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 16, 2009 - 8:47 PMI agree Tedward. And it bothers me a lot that they would print such a thing. Maybe they're just trying to drive traffic to the Hooping.org site. I don't know. But I think they should edit or retract that statement. The impending demise... this is what accounts for journalism in this country today. It really irks me. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, September 17, 2009 - 12:16 AMTribe for me has been pretty good for the last month or so but before that it was constantly down and very unreliable.
During that time there were huge amounts of discussions about the future of tribe. If i remember correctly there was complicated things going on in there staff where they only had one person working there. There was lots of controvirsies about all kinds of things such as lots of people paying for premium accounts and not receiving them.
Putting all of those things together i think most people realised that tribe is on unstable ground and could at any time fall of the map and just not exist any more. There was groups made on Ning just incase that happened and i assume that was the reason that hooping.org started creating the forums it fits the time line.
Although i agree that the wording was probably a bit strong and that things on tribe are pretty good for the moment i still would not put to much trust in tribe being around for long. I also do not think it was a ploy to drive people to the site considering there have been heaps of secondary forums set up allover the place to prepare for the high risk of tribe kicking the bucket. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, September 17, 2009 - 10:46 PMSure Tribe has been intermittent for a while but its basically free and its a well used and well loved by many people including myself.
For someone to print news of its "impending demise" without proof is slander and the statement should be retracted immediately.
We get so spoiled the Always-On-ness of internet sites we forget that there are people who have put their time, energy and love into this website and just because its intermittent now and then does not mean anything more than its run and operated by loving humans just like you and me. How would you like someone to say "impending demise" about you or even something your put your time and energy into?
Not very nice in my book.
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Fri, September 18, 2009 - 1:50 AMI'll let Philo speak to the writing of the article, and I'll speak to the desire to transfer knowledge to the hooping.org forums:
In the last two years, Tribe has had a lot of extended downtime. Losing a reliable place to gather and connect, the online hooping community seems to have scattered to other large scale social networking sites like Facebook, and smaller sites run by individual hoop companies.
hooping.org has been around for years... and had forums in the past (which got hacked/spoiled somehow) prior to the Hula Hooping Tribe here. Look right up at the very top of the front page, "this tribe is an extension of hooping.org".
I feel that the lack of consistent service from Tribe is putting the online community at risk of losing our ability to connect with each other easily, to find the answers to our newbie questions, or locate someone in a town we're traveling to, or to promote an event like World Hoop Day or Hoop Convergence and be able to expect to reach the majority of the online audience because they will all be coming to one place.
I support Philo and the hooping.org forums utterly. His dedication to this community has been demonstrated, his ability to maintain and build a strong website is shown with daily and weekly updated content captured from around the globe, and his vision for the future of this online and real life community to remain strong and close is one that I share.
I do hope that more people get involved with the effort to transfer the years of useful, shared knowledge from this Tribe over to the hooping.org forums, and that we start making those forums our first stop for online hooping connection. Understanding that transition takes time, I haven't made any effort to slow or shutdown discussion here, and don't have plans to force that even in the future.
I DO have plans to be involved more on the hooping.org forums (home renovations and an upswing in my other career of knitting design are taking centre stage right now, but hooping is still on the Top 5 list, and talking about hooping is on the Top 15!), to do more of that resource librarian work, and to encourage more Tribe (and Facebook, and other sites) users to get involved in the hooping.org forums.
I don't know the person(s) or corporations currently running Tribe, but it no longer has the feel and flavour of the first few years when I was here, when the people behind the scenes would come out fairly often and write to us in a way that made them feel like friends. Being sold and passed from hand to hand too many times hasn't been good for Tribe, or its users. I'm excited about the stability offered by Philo and the hooping.org forums - they feel like they'll be around for a good long time, and that makes me really happy!
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Fri, September 18, 2009 - 8:05 AMTo me, this issue has nothing to do with the transfer of useful resources to Hooping.org. It is about a statement that I feel undermines Tribe and/or the Hula Hooping tribe here. I'm happy the info is going to Hooping.org. What a great resource. And I love Tribe and know for a fact that that statement has caused a lot of turmoil. I think it should be edited or retracted. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Fri, September 18, 2009 - 2:20 PMPhilo responded in the comments on the article:
Perhaps my wording was too strong. For that I apologize. What has been going on though is that Cisco Systems, which bought Tribe a couple years ago and has steadily helped in it's decline, purchased WebEx a couple weeks ago. What interest Cisco may have remotely had in social networking, which has failed to be represented in giving Tribe effective support and servers, is likely only going to be undermined further with their new interest in a different social networking format. Meanwhile, the downtime error messages Tribe has been having have been severe. They aren't the same outages Tribe used to have, but are related to server malfunction, server overload, server collapse... How long will Tribe be here? Who knows. I didn't mean for it to sound like there was an actual date.
Posted by: Philo | September 18, 2009 1:12 AM
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Fri, September 18, 2009 - 9:40 PMUmmm, it wasn't Cisco that bought tribe, it wa s a small consortium of Burners , some of whom happen to work there. -
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 10:00 PMThat's what I thought. Cisco almost bought it a couple of years ago but then changed their mind and decided they didn't want to get into the social networking business. So basically we're where we already were -- a dedicated group of burners who are trying to save this valuable resource for all of us. I think we need to support them, even if we do create an archive for hoopers on Hooping.org. And I really, really think the article should be edited. Such speculation is harmful to Tribe and undermines it in the hooping community, which is very strong here. People get sued for such overblown statements that harm businesses. There are laws against such unfounded statements that exist to protect businesses from stuff like that. Plus, it's just not cool. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 7:52 AMi was the hooper who started the thread about tribe overviews being carried over to hooping.org. i'm sure i didn't start any kind of drama/rumors about tribe dying. with the introduction of the hooping.org forums as the tribe alternative of the future (for the hooping community at least) it seemed i wasn't alone in my thinking.
i understand tribe is more than just the hooping community, and it's got more valuable losable resources than what i was referring to. but the new hooping.org forums seemed to be introduced for this purpose. i didn't mean to cause any waves, i was under the impression that the rest of the hooping community was concerned. i don't think my post was harmful speculation and if it was, it was unintentional, i defintily didn't mean to cause any widespread panic. it seemed that i wasn't alone in thinking this. i just got back from symbiosis on tuesday night, so i didn't read any of this till now.
please know i didn't want to panic anyone about this! here's my original tribe post hooping.tribe.net/thread/d7...00d8301d38 i don't think i said anything outrageous and defamatory. like i said, i thought i was echoing the sentiments of the hooping community. i wasn't trying to disrespect the other communities on tribe. i think the words "impending demise" should be changed in the article. my tribe post and a similar post on the hooping.org forums are the only things i wrote on the subject. i didn't submit them to hooping.org or have any involvement in the writing of the hooping.org article
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 9:26 AMit's not so much that tribe will "die" hell geocities only recently announced that it was shutting down! It's more that tribe is becoming increasingly irrelevant due to it's member base becoming inactive here for activity elsewhere. Anecdotaly looking at the frequency of my tribes, they have definitely decreased. Facebook is experiencing an increasing prevalence for activities that were largely tribe based previously also and is now what most people tell me when I ask if they are on tribe. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 12:00 PMDiane, I think the real issue is that you're assuming that tribe could go down causing a loss of data, but Hooping.org could not. Of the two, I give tribe the better chance of staying round, simply because of it's size and diversity. By assuming that tribe was the weaker choice for storage, I think you tweaked people more than if you were to suggest backing everything up to a DVD or something. -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 1:57 PMany site could have a problem, and i'm not saying that hooping.org won't.
the hooping.org forums were seemingly introduced to move the hooping community away from tribe post introducing the hooping.org forums ---> hooping.tribe.net/thread/e5...de0d6c506d
my post wasn't to imply that tribe is inferior, it is exactly what i wrote. to preserve some of what we have on tribe on hooping.org
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, September 24, 2009 - 2:12 PMAhhh, I get it now. So if people are theoretically supposed to move hoop chat over to H.org, then moving the tribe topics would save a lot of time instead of re-discussing them... as it were. I think I get it now. Unfortunately, one thing tribe has taught me is that no matter how many times a topic is covered, people will still as questions in new threads, even if the topic is active and on the top of the list. I think Hooping should get it's information organically. then new updates can be incorporated into the new responses. -
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Thu, September 24, 2009 - 3:47 PMtruly. people are going to always be asking questions that they could find, and the hooping.org forums will grow into their own, what i was proposing isn't overviews/summaries of every little hooping discussion on tribe, that's a crazy task! would take forever! and as you mentioned the forums should grow organically.
my suggestion is specifically for the 'advice for new hoopers' group on hooping.org. if you read the overview i wrote for making/decorating a simple hoop www.hooping.org/forums/mod...icposts.php
you'll see what i mean. the hooping.org forums need to grow on their own and it would be nearly impossible to summarize all of the tribe hooping discussion subjects, my suggestion is to create overviews of the basics for new hoopers on there. -
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Fri, September 25, 2009 - 3:03 AMhurm....
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Sat, September 26, 2009 - 8:04 AMI totally agree.... neither Tribe nor the hooping.org forums have an active readership 24/7 that is able to jump on a newbie's questions and give them a range of indepth, varied opinions instantly. Building resources is different than building relationships, and both have their place in our online world.
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Wed, September 30, 2009 - 3:27 PMHi everyone. This thread was brought to our attention so we'd like to clear up any misunderstandings.
1. Cisco purchased the Tribe.net software and took the current employees in 2007 and purchased Webex shortly after. The two acquisitions have very little to do with each other, and they each belong to separate business units within Cisco.
2. Tribe.net is currently managed by a group of long time members (burner friendly, but not self-described burners) who took over in Nov 2008
3. There is no "impending demise" -- far from it, we are actively developing a new platform for tribe that also includes a viable business plan to keep the site self-sufficient in the long term
For more information on the current direction of tribe.net, see the company blog at blog.tribe.net
If you have any questions, please feel free to write to us: help@tribe.net
Thanks!
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 8:00 AMyeah, when i read that i was like, WHAT?!?!
I mean, even if some hoopers find tribe too slow or whatever, it is my main lifeline to other hoopers--and i even resented that phrase in the article. it made me feel like, "if individuals personally hate tribe, i am fine with that. but do not predestine its dissappearance, b/c some of us are still using it on a daily basis." -
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Thu, October 1, 2009 - 9:11 AMand thanks for the response tribe.net -
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Re: The "impending demise" of Tribe?
Sun, October 11, 2009 - 3:14 PMI don't know about impending demise but this is the first time i have been able to log on in three days. It wouldn't even give me an informative message just a whole screen of code pretty poor effort for a site this size.
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